ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more) Forum

[Fenris]

Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?

[270910]

Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?

Penn.

[Brick_Tamlin]

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[270910]

Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?

Penn.

Its Boalt, UVa, Mich., and Penn. That's one reason they call it MVPB - they're the 4 public T14s.

huh, I'd never thought of that before - but I guess it makes sense.

[d34d9823]

Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?

Penn.

Its Boalt, UVa, Mich., and Penn. That's one reason they call it MVPB - they're the 4 public T14s.

huh, I'd never thought of that before - but I guess it makes sense.

That really does make a lot of sense!

[Brick_Tamlin]

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[270910]

In case this needs to continue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania

Quote: "This article is about the Philadelphia-based public university, colloquially referred to as "Penn". For the university located in State College, Pennsylvania, and colloquially known as "Penn State", see Pennsylvania State University."

Thanks for the link!

[BeautifulSW]

I've never been involved with biglaw but the article is consistant with my experiences in small law and public sector hiring. Class rank matters everywhere I've ever worked. The school, not so much. We don't get many HYS grads here but we do get a regular trickle of other T14ers, places like Georgetown.

[RVP11]

In case this needs to continue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania

Quote: "This article is about the Philadelphia-based public university, colloquially referred to as "Penn". For the university located in State College, Pennsylvania, and colloquially known as "Penn State", see Pennsylvania State University."

Thanks for the link!

When people talk about the Penn that's in the T14 they're talking about Penn State - Philly, though. Very prestigious public school.

[d34d9823]

Isn't Yale a public school? I thought Y.A.L.E. was the greek to amharic to english transliteration of U.C.N.H., which stands for University of Connecticut, New Haven, of course.

[czelede]

Isn't Yale a public school? I thought Y.A.L.E. was the greek to amharic to english transliteration of U.C.N.H., which stands for University of Connecticut, New Haven, of course.

Let's not forget New York's great state school NYU.

[Duralex]

psst...read a page back, czelede.

Also, does the study really mean much for T14? The only public schools in the T14 are NYU, Michigan, Virginia, and Boalt.

Hehe.

Ugh that always trips me up. How can a private school have a name like that?

It's the circle of life!

[mec30]

The biggest issue I see with the study is that they only included public schools- so they basically excluded most of the truly elite schools.

I read this article and I'm sure they included many elite schools. I remember it making reference to HYS and Columbia specifically. I think the ABA blurb may be wrong.

[Duralex]

The AJD study itself does:

Nearly every accredited and unaccredited law school in the nation is represented in the AJD sample — a total of some 200 schools.

-- from the initial NALP AJD Report (which is pretty good reading.)

Here's the link to the AJD publications page, which includes full text PDFs of a number of follow-on papers, addenda and monographs for those who are interested.


The 2007 papers (which taken together appear to represent a group effort at Southwestern ), as a sample:

Dinovitzer, Ronit and Bryant G. Garth. (2007). "Lawyer Satisfaction in the Process of Structuring Legal Careers.” Law and Society Review 41: 1-50. pdf **
Sterling, Joyce, Ronit Dinovitzer, and Bryant G. Garth. (2007). "The Changing Social Role of Urban Law Schools.” Southwestern University Law Review 36: 389-432. pdf
Wilkins, David, Ronit Dinovitzer, and Rishi Batra. (2007). "Urban Law School Graduates In Large Law Firms." Southwestern University Law Review 36: 433-507. pdf

So if you don't find the UCLA paper persuasive there are a number of other peoples' takes on the AJD data there to have a look at.