URGENT NEED OF ADVICE - ST JOHNS UNIVERSITY NO SCHOLARSHIP Forum

[MrKappus]

Your problems don't stop there: I think your 'caps lock' key is broken as well.

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[20160810]

Take a year off and retake the LSAT. If you aren't willing to put in enough effort to do that, you aren't going to put in enough effort to make top 10%.

ITT 0L implies that effort and law school grades are connected.

Lolz.

[03121202698008]

Take a year off and retake the LSAT. If you aren't willing to put in enough effort to do that, you aren't going to put in enough effort to make top 10%.

ITT 0L implies that effort and law school grades are connected.

Lolz.

I agree effort is not enough but surely you agree that some effort must be put in for success? The whole sufficient vs necessary thing....

[20160810]

Take a year off and retake the LSAT. If you aren't willing to put in enough effort to do that, you aren't going to put in enough effort to make top 10%.

ITT 0L implies that effort and law school grades are connected.

Lolz.

I agree effort is not enough but surely you agree that some effort must be put in for success? The whole sufficient vs necessary thing....

Effort is necessary to avoid getting Cs, I'll give you that much. But at pretty much any law school, roughly 90% of your class is going to be putting in quite a bit of effort. Reading the assignments, showing up to class, doing all the right stuff won't put you ahead of the pack, and certainly not into top-20% A range, and neither will doubling down and doing more work than is necessary (looking up cases mentioned in footnotes, gunner shit, etc.) Effort, in the conventional sense, only gets you to a B in law school.

The As come from blowing off "effort" work and being smart: Taking practice tests, reading a good supplement, finding old outlines, etc. Often times the what it takes to get an A requires less than half of the amount of "effort" that it would take to do all the work and get a B.

Efficiency, writing ability and luck matter w/r/t law school grades. Effort, not so much.

/Epic derail.

[03121202698008]

Take a year off and retake the LSAT. If you aren't willing to put in enough effort to do that, you aren't going to put in enough effort to make top 10%.

ITT 0L implies that effort and law school grades are connected.

Lolz.

I agree effort is not enough but surely you agree that some effort must be put in for success? The whole sufficient vs necessary thing....

Effort is necessary to avoid getting Cs, I'll give you that much. But at pretty much any law school, roughly 90% of your class is going to be putting in quite a bit of effort. Reading the assignments, showing up to class, doing all the right stuff won't put you ahead of the pack, and certainly not into top-20% A range, and neither will doubling down and doing more work than is necessary (looking up cases mentioned in footnotes, gunner shit, etc.) Effort, in the conventional sense, only gets you to a B in law school.

The As come from blowing off "effort" work and being smart: Taking practice tests, reading a good supplement, finding old outlines, etc. Often times the what it takes to get an A requires less than half of the amount of "effort" that it would take to do all the work and get a B.

Efficiency, writing ability and luck matter w/r/t law school grades. Effort, not so much.

/Epic derail.

Yeah, that's what I assumed/was planning on. From OP's "I'm not taking the LSAT again" I got the impression OP is a just enough kind of guy/gal.

[Veyron]

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.