Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons Forum

[asfasdagdsfawe]

Does anyone actually know when the new rankings will be published?

[Pearalegal]

Though I'm biased because its my first choice at this point...I think ND will move up to 21-20ish. Their facilities have improved a fantastic amount, and they seem to be making a concentrated effort to attract a more diverse and numbers happy bunch.

Complete conjecture.

[Flanker1067]

15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. Notre Dame
22. BU
23. Minnesota
24. BC
25. Illinois
26. Indiana
27. GWU
28. Fordham
29. Iowa
30. W&M

There will be ties, of course, but I just ignored this in my ranking list.

I am under the impression from what I have read that Emory actually is already too high. Job prospects seem (anecdotally) significantly worse than BU, who probably deserves the swap with emory here.

[showNprove]

I'm calling it now: Georgetown will still be #14, but so will Texas.

[Pearalegal]

I'm hoping the T14 gets shaken up just to watch the COMPLETE HYSTERIA that will occur here. Seriously, I'll get a beer and popcorn...at work, even.

[Vincent Vega]

I am under the impression from what I have read that Emory actually is already too high. Job prospects seem (anecdotally) significantly worse than BU, who probably deserves the swap with emory here.

You might be right, but I also believe that WUSTL is also overrated. From what it looks like, Emory may have improved its median LSAT about a point and its 75th a point or two, which will make its LSAT numbers comparable to WUSTL's. I also think that, while BU is a great school and might be a little underranked, Notre Dame rises even faster.

Also, I meant for this list to relevant to the one that will be released in a couple months, not the one that will cover this cycle's results.

[Flanker1067]

You might be right, but I also believe that WUSTL is also overrated. From what it looks like, Emory may have improved its median LSAT about a point and its 75th a point or two, which will make its LSAT numbers comparable to WUSTL's. I also think that, while BU is a great school and might be a little underranked, Notre Dame rises even faster.

Also, I meant for this list to relevant to the one that will be released in a couple months, not the one that will cover this cycle's results.

Ah, ok, I don't know how the rankings work, I assumed they would include this cycle's data. As for Emory increasing their LSAT, I just hope I am wrong for those student's sake.

[thickfreakness]

I am under the impression from what I have read that Emory actually is already too high. Job prospects seem (anecdotally) significantly worse than BU, who probably deserves the swap with emory here.

You might be right, but I also believe that WUSTL is also overrated. From what it looks like, Emory may have improved its median LSAT about a point and its 75th a point or two, which will make its LSAT numbers comparable to WUSTL's. I also think that, while BU is a great school and might be a little underranked, Notre Dame rises even faster.

Also, I meant for this list to relevant to the one that will be released in a couple months, not the one that will cover this cycle's results.

Also, Emory's doing this without selling out half its class to splitters.

[vanwinkle]

I'm calling it now: Georgetown will still be #14, but so will Texas.

This would be the most amazing thing evar.

[thickfreakness]

Vanderbilt goes T14. I think they might get their median closer to 169 this year. They've been WLing and dinging people with 168s and 3.5/3.6s this cycle already.

[sirchristaylor]

What about BC?

[showNprove]

Vanderbilt goes T14. I think they might get their median closer to 169 this year. They've been WLing and dinging people with 168s and 3.5/3.6s this cycle already.

That won't matter until 2011.

Georgetown didn't have time to react last cycle to the change in the methodology, so it will still be hurt by its PT numbers. Georgetown was only 1 point ahead of Texas and UCLA last year. Texas raised its GPA an awesome amount last cycle, and it should be enough to make up for that 1 point. So, with all else equal, Georgetown and Texas will at least be tied.

13. Cornell
14. Georgetown
14. Texas
16. UCLA
17. Vanderbilt

[pennstatepride]

15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. GWU (biggest jump due to PT number crunch)
22. Notre Dame
23. BU
24. Minnesota
25. BC
26. Iowa
27. Indiana
28. W&M
29. Fordham
30. Illinois (biggest drop due to scandal)

[los blancos]

I think the 3-way tie at 10 will get broken.

[Steven Perry]

Any thoughts on Berkeley moving down?

Down to #15? Really?

Oh no, I think he meant (and I know I meant) out of the tie for 6th; restoring HYSCCN as the only T6. I forgot about the limitations put on the thread in the OP.

As did I. In my opinion they're kind of like the Cornell of the Top 6: a fantastic school, but their admission numbers seem to be a little weird every now and again. Their west-coast prestige is obviously a contributing factor, but if they drop, it could have serious ramifications for the 13-30 range.

[letsdoit1982]

15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. GWU (biggest jump due to PT number crunch)
22. Notre Dame
23. BU
24. Minnesota
25. BC
26. Iowa
27. Indiana
28. W&M
29. Fordham
30. Illinois (biggest drop due to scandal)

Why exactly does everyone think that the scandal will knock Illinois down a couple notches? It's not like U.S. News takes scandals into a account when it ranks schools.

[PhantaManta]

15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. Notre Dame
22. BU
23. Minnesota
24. BC
25. Illinois
26. Indiana
27. GWU
28. Fordham
29. Iowa
30. St. John's


see what i did?

[Cupidity]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

[pennstatepride]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

I agree with this comment about GW; because they cut their PT program in half, they should be back up around 20ish. Their GPA and LSAT numbers are actually above most of the schools ranked above them (20-27).

[Cupidity]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

I agree with this comment about GW; because they cut their PT program in half, they should be back up around 20ish. Their GPA and LSAT numbers are actually above most of the schools ranked above them (20-27).

Their FT program is on par with Vandy/USC. My 166/3.87 is one of the lowest scores they have let in this cylce.

[OperaSoprano]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

Wait, can they rank Irvine before the school finishes provisional accreditation? I was under the impression that it took more than one year.

Fordham did nothing to game the rankings. I hope we won't be punished for it.

[Vincent Vega]

15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. GWU (biggest jump due to PT number crunch)
22. Notre Dame
23. BU
24. Minnesota
25. BC
26. Iowa
27. Indiana
28. W&M
29. Fordham
30. Illinois (biggest drop due to scandal)

Why exactly does everyone think that the scandal will knock Illinois down a couple notches? It's not like U.S. News takes scandals into a account when it ranks schools.

The scandal will not drop their ranking at all. It's not like a couple dozen people getting an undergraduate admissions boost is going to make the reputation factor plummet or cause a bunch of people to choose other schools. I see no reason why this situation would have an appreciable effect on the law school's ranking.

[pennstatepride]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

I agree with this comment about GW; because they cut their PT program in half, they should be back up around 20ish. Their GPA and LSAT numbers are actually above most of the schools ranked above them (20-27).

Their FT program is on par with Vandy/USC. My 166/3.87 is one of the lowest scores they have let in this cylce.

I currently attend GW Law. In terms of our current 1L class (that will count toward the 2011 rankings), the Dean has made public that it is the best GW Law class that has ever been admitted. Based upon data for next years 1L class, it appears that they will take that top honor. GW looks to really be back in great shape (in terms of Us News ranking, as it never really changed much).

[Vincent Vega]

I disagree with the low rankings 27/28 for GWU.

GWU is a T-20 school, on par with BU and UMinn, they just got boned by the new part-time rankings, and they nearly cut the program in half to compensate for it. GWU will be at least 23. Irvine will bump W&L Alabama and UNC back. If UCLA were ever to become 14, this would be the year with the statistic hit GULC took from the same PT thing that wrecked gwu. WUSTL will drop back about 2, and BC will move up to 23/24. ND will move up 1 spot.

I agree with this comment about GW; because they cut their PT program in half, they should be back up around 20ish. Their GPA and LSAT numbers are actually above most of the schools ranked above them (20-27).

Their FT program is on par with Vandy/USC. My 166/3.87 is one of the lowest scores they have let in this cylce.

I currently attend GW Law. In terms of our current 1L class (that will count toward the 2011 rankings), the Dean has made public that it is the best GW Law class that has ever been admitted. Based upon data for next years 1L class, it appears that they will take that top honor. GW looks to really be back in great shape (in terms of Us News ranking, as it never really changed much).

Keep in mind that LSN data doesn't yet indicate where most of this year's applicants will be matriculating. Just because they have been pretty selective this year doesn't mean their numbers will improve (I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying you shouldn't jump the gun).

[James Bond]

GW up a bit. Cornell down a bit. Some other stuff. Meh.