how do we feel about UC Irvine at this point? Forum

[Nova]

My mistake. In all fairness though, I think Dre needs to move on from the UCI applicants page. It's a little pathetic.

Unless he applies

[gitguy]

Those Duke lax players were obviously fucked with by an overzealous prosecutor who ended up losing his job and being disbarred. Is this a fucking joke?

edit- did you even read the wiki article?

On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges and declared the three players innocent. Cooper stated that the charged players – Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans – were victims of a "tragic rush to accuse."[9] The initial prosecutor for the case, Durham County's District Attorney Mike Nifong, who was labeled a "rogue prosecutor" by Cooper, withdrew from the case in January 2007 after the North Carolina State Bar filed ethics charges against him. That June, Nifong was disbarred for "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation", making Nifong the first prosecutor in North Carolina history to lose his law license based on actions in a case. Nifong was found guilty of criminal contempt and served one day in jail.[10] Mangum never faced any charges for her false accusations as Cooper declined to prosecute her.[11]

Read the original conversation and you'll realize I don't care about the Duke case, and I would never rush to accuse anyone of anything, knowing little other than what I read in the press about it.

The issue was that Dre is a troll who has nothing better to do and is misrepresenting himself on these threads and annoying people here to gather useful information.

[jordan15]

Don't underestimate the power of UCI's location. When I was in high school I saw so many people turn down UCLA, USC, and UCB in favor of UCI, UCSB, UCSD, and even SDSU, CSULB, etc. Moderate proximity to the beach seems to trump basically everything for some students.

The COL isn't nearly as bad as almost all of the T14+ USC/UCLA. There are some decent cheap neighborhoods that are a pleasant 10-20 minute drive away. The nicest apartments right next to the school are about as expensive as Berkeley and Cambridge, except you get a ridiculous luxury condo instead of some old small unit that's 1 of only 2-8 in the building. This site is all about prestige but for Cali kids (and wannabes) lifestyle trumps a few extra rankings points. I would assume it would be a top pick for a student who also had a family since it's really the only school that's in a peaceful, suburban, yuppie neighborhood with excellent public schools.

I'm not trying to troll for UCI because obviously there are very big drawbacks that for most of the people here, including myself, far outweigh the benefits (no alumni, no reputation, rapidly growing class size-unsteady resources). But it does have some very unique qualities that I think will attract a slightly better applicant pool than it would had it been in a different location.

[Dr. Dre]

you assume that a UC irvine JD will provide you with a job in that area. And that whatever jerb you get will pay enough to live there.

[jingosaur]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

[Big Dog]

It's tuition is also ridiculously high.

True, but unless you hail from a wealthy family, no one should pay sticker for anything other than HYS and perhaps C&C. If you can't score BIG money from a T15+, you should retake (or head to Starbucks for a job today).

[Dr. Dre]

there is no such thing as a T15

hth

[BigZuck]

It's tuition is also ridiculously high.

True, but unless you hail from a wealthy family, no one should pay sticker for anything other than HYS and perhaps C&C. If you can't score BIG money from a T15+, you should retake (or head to Starbucks for a job today).

Anti-NYU trolling plus pro-UT trolling all in the same post?

Niiiice.

[Big Dog]

^^hahahaha

My bad. I really meant T15- (minus), as in T15 on down requires really big money to attend. Some smaller schollies will do for T6 through T14.

[jingosaur]

It's tuition is also ridiculously high.

True, but unless you hail from a wealthy family, no one should pay sticker for anything other than HYS and perhaps C&C. If you can't score BIG money from a T15+, you should retake (or head to Starbucks for a job today).

Whether or not paying sticker at a certain school is worth it isn't the point at issue because regardless of what the truth is, people are still paying full tuition for these schools. There are even TLS regulars who are paying sticker at Cali law schools that aren't S, B, USC, or UCLA even after doing their research. If tuition were lower, these students who make uninformed and stupid decisions would have a higher chance of ever being able to pay back their loans. For example, students paying in-state tuition at a school like Kentucky have a better chance of paying off their sticker debt from a similarly ranked or slightly higher ranked school like George Mason.

[Big Dog]

Whether or not paying sticker at a certain school is worth it isn't the point at issue because regardless of what the truth is, people are still paying full tuition for these schools. There are even TLS regulars who are paying sticker at Cali law schools that aren't S, B, USC, or UCLA...

Yeah, and there's a sucker born every minute...

But if we can convince even one person to not be that stupid, I'd call it win-win.

....even after doing their research.

That's probably why they were lit/hume majors -- absolutely no critical thinking skills (which are required in STEM. (Again, assumes not from a wealthy family where money is no object.)

[Allenowen]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

I wonder how long this stereotype that lawyers are rolling in money and penthouses will last. It is obnoxious and I lose respect every time for anyone who echoes this stupid out of date stereotype.

[Allenowen]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

I wonder how long this stereotype that lawyers are rolling in money and penthouses will last. It is obnoxious and I lose respect every time for anyone who echoes this stupid out of date stereotype.

[ManoftheHour]

It's tuition is also ridiculously high.

True, but unless you hail from a wealthy family, no one should pay sticker for anything other than HYS and perhaps C&C. If you can't score BIG money from a T15+, you should retake (or head to Starbucks for a job today).

Whether or not paying sticker at a certain school is worth it isn't the point at issue because regardless of what the truth is, people are still paying full tuition for these schools. There are even TLS regulars who are paying sticker at Cali law schools that aren't S, B, USC, or UCLA even after doing their research. If tuition were lower, these students who make uninformed and stupid decisions would have a higher chance of ever being able to pay back their loans. For example, students paying in-state tuition at a school like Kentucky have a better chance of paying off their sticker debt from a similarly ranked or slightly higher ranked school like George Mason.

Oh gawd...I know people going to LLS and Chapman at sticker. I know a 3L at Chapman that has over 100k in debt.

[Nova]

I wonder how long this stereotype that lawyers are rolling in money and penthouses will last. It is obnoxious and I lose respect every time for anyone who echoes this stupid out of date stereotype.

Oh, and I suppose you're up to date on the markets of every profession in the universe.

[zman]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

The state does subsidize them but as long as students can borrow an unlimited amount of money(enabled by federally insured loans) tutions will still go up. Hastings was getting 10 million from the state(I think they still do) but they were raising tutions every year at a faster rate than private schools in the last 10 years or so. Same with other UC schools.

Yale and harvard could fund themselves through interest on their endowment but they still charge 50k a year! that's even more crazy and for the same reason as above(federally insured loans that take risk away from lending students).

[Dr. Dre]

[gitguy]

Is this all you do all day?

[071816]

UCI stinks

[06102016]

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[071816]

UCI stinks

all schools outside the T14 stink. actually, no... all schools outside T6 stink... wait, no, HYS or bust.

actually, wait, all law schools stink.

life stinks

[thetruther]

Id turn down WUSTL with $$$ for UCI

[vicpin5190]

Id turn down WUSTL with $$$ for UCI

but WUSTL is a great place!

[jordan15]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

The state does subsidize them but as long as students can borrow an unlimited amount of money(enabled by federally insured loans) tutions will still go up. Hastings was getting 10 million from the state(I think they still do) but they were raising tutions every year at a faster rate than private schools in the last 10 years or so. Same with other UC schools.

Yale and harvard could fund themselves through interest on their endowment but they still charge 50k a year! that's even more crazy and for the same reason as above(federally insured loans that take risk away from lending students).

USNEWS is to blame. As long as they include "spending per student" there is no incentive to reduce tuition. Any T14 could probably fund their law school without any tuition but then they would fall 20+ points in the rankings.

State subsidies where much higher pre-2008. At the undergrad level, tuition has risen by about 2x what it used to be at community colleges, CSU, and UC. Community colleges were $20/unit, now are ~$50, and now legislature just passed a bill to make them $200. $200/unit at a JC! So the fact that there is any sort is state subsidy at the law schools (even though they are pathetically small) is remarkable, as well as unlikely to ladt much longer.

[timbs4339]

Its tuition is also ridiculously high. One thing that confuses the crap out of me about Cali law schools is how all of these schools have such ridiculously high in-state tuition because the state doesn't really subsidize them. Meanwhile, California state gov't overfunds everything else in California. I just assume that they assume that lawyers all still make good money right out of law school?

Edited for grammar.

The state does subsidize them but as long as students can borrow an unlimited amount of money(enabled by federally insured loans) tutions will still go up. Hastings was getting 10 million from the state(I think they still do) but they were raising tutions every year at a faster rate than private schools in the last 10 years or so. Same with other UC schools.

Yale and harvard could fund themselves through interest on their endowment but they still charge 50k a year! that's even more crazy and for the same reason as above(federally insured loans that take risk away from lending students).

USNEWS is to blame. As long as they include "spending per student" there is no incentive to reduce tuition. Any T14 could probably fund their law school without any tuition but then they would fall 20+ points in the rankings.

State subsidies where much higher pre-2008. At the undergrad level, tuition has risen by about 2x what it used to be at community colleges, CSU, and UC. Community colleges were $20/unit, now are ~$50, and now legislature just passed a bill to make them $200. $200/unit at a JC! So the fact that there is any sort is state subsidy at the law schools (even though they are pathetically small) is remarkable, as well as unlikely to ladt much longer.

The fact that the "incentives" are aligned so as to lead to the most money going into the pockets of tenured professors and administrators might clue you in on why USNWR isn't the source of this problem. That's a smokescreen.