Harvard v. Columbia (Butler) v. NYU (Vanderbilt) v. Chicago (Rubenstein) Forum

[goldenbear2020]

I do think there needs to be a redo of the school designations now that sticker is over $300,000 at repayment from Harvard.
I'm going to keep pushing the "YS" "HCCN" divisions because the old way is misleading.

But sticker is also over $300k at YS and CCN. On what basis are you saying that YS>H? Are you saying that YS are worth $300k, but not H?

[Nebby]

I do think there needs to be a redo of the school designations now that sticker is over $300,000 at repayment from Harvard.
I'm going to keep pushing the "YS" "HCCN" divisions because the old way is misleading.

But sticker is also over $300k at YS and CCN. On what basis are you saying that YS>H? Are you saying that YS are worth $300k, but not H?

All of you shut up

[Nonconsecutive]

My cousin Fred from Jacksonville heard Harvard is a good school and didn't know what Columbia was. Needless to say this is proof Harvard is the right choice for me

TCR

[kalvano]

Why are people mean to Ms. Mouse?

[Alexandros]

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[Npret]

I do think there needs to be a redo of the school designations now that sticker is over $300,000 at repayment from Harvard.
I'm going to keep pushing the "YS" "HCCN" divisions because the old way is misleading.

But sticker is also over $300k at YS and CCN. On what basis are you saying that YS>H? Are you saying that YS are worth $300k, but not H?

It's not prudent to take out $300k debt anywhere. Realize that most people at HYS are not taking on that much in debt for it. If you receive aid or have outside support to get it down to something that can be payed off in a few years, it might be worth considering.

Also not sure why S is in Y's league - I thought S was more similar to H in most regards?

This was in response to the comments that the people who don't go to Harvard go to Yale and Stanford so that is why Harvard's yield is 68%

These TLS "tiers" were based on employment outcomes.
In my view H is closer to CCN than it is Y and S. I included cost but it's not the main factor.

[Npret]

Why are people mean to Ms. Mouse?

It shows their character imo.

[Npret]

I do think there needs to be a redo of the school designations now that sticker is over $300,000 at repayment from Harvard.
I'm going to keep pushing the "YS" "HCCN" divisions because the old way is misleading.

But sticker is also over $300k at YS and CCN. On what basis are you saying that YS>H? Are you saying that YS are worth $300k, but not H?

All of you shut up

Yeah I didn't expect a serious response from anyone Though I do think if this has become the perfect thread for the discussion of where H belongs im not invested enough to pursue it.

[Alexandros]

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[RSN]

Boy, these threads do show up like clockwork every year, and the arguments are always the same. But it's never really a question.

0Ls getting all huffy: understand that the current students and attorneys here telling you to take Hamiltons/Rubys/Vanderbilts over H are NOT spending their valuable time arguing with you because they want to antagonize you, and CERTAINLY not because they're bitter about not getting into a better school. They're trying to HELP by giving you information you don't currently have, namely the benefit of hindsight after having been in your position a few years ago, or having known others who have been. If you don't want to hear it, then BY ALL MEANS take your pretentious "I'm 23 and I obviously know better than some idiot on the internet" attitude and go to Harvard. No one here will cry for you if you do.

[shadowfax]

My apologies.

[Nebby]

Boy, these threads do show up like clockwork every year, and the arguments are always the same. But it's never really a question.

0Ls getting all huffy: understand that the current students and attorneys here telling you to take Hamiltons/Rubys/Vanderbilts over H are NOT spending their valuable time arguing with you because they want to antagonize you, and CERTAINLY not because they're bitter about not getting into a better school. They're trying to HELP by giving you information you don't currently have, namely the benefit of hindsight after having been in your position a few years ago, or having known others who have been. If you don't want to hear it, then BY ALL MEANS take your pretentious "I'm 23 and I obviously know better than some idiot on the internet" attitude and go to Harvard. No one here will cry for you if you do.

Without that attitude HLS apps would cut in half

[A. Nony Mouse]

Sunday morning. Time to check the talk shows to see what happened this week. Neil Gorsuch, Alexander Acosta, Tom Perez. Smart group, diverse, both sides of the aisle.

Wow you are a snot.

[elevin]

UPDATE: Got the Rubenstein at Chicago. Oh my!

Added a poll to make the process simpler!

[20170322]

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[rpupkin]

UPDATE: Got the Rubenstein at Chicago. Oh my!

Added a poll to make the process simpler!

Ruby /thread

If OP would rather spend three years in New York instead of Chicago, NYU with the Vanderbilt would be a defensible choice as well.

[20170322]

UPDATE: Got the Rubenstein at Chicago. Oh my!

Added a poll to make the process simpler!

Ruby /thread

If OP would rather spend three years in New York instead of Chicago, NYU with the Vanderbilt would be a defensible choice as well.

[BlendedUnicorn]

Does the Vandy come with a living stipend? That's $45,000 right there and with Chicago being much cheaper than NY you're probably looking at a $75,000 difference in COA. If being in NYC means that much to OP they should still take the money and just fly out to the city every weekend.

[Rigo]

I'd go Ruby since you want to clerk and do biglaw.
NYU also defensible though.
I wouldn't ever do Columbia here.
You don't need Harvard for your goals so why waste your money?

[navylawhopeful]

Decide whether you would prefer NYC or Chicago and then pick either NYU or Chicago. Both are great options--congrats!

/thread

[Po$eidon]

UPDATE: Got the Rubenstein at Chicago. Oh my!

Added a poll to make the process simpler!

Ruby /thread

And scene

[Npret]

Congrats OP! You won law school!

[WheninLaw]

UPDATE: Got the Rubenstein at Chicago. Oh my!

Added a poll to make the process simpler!

Ruby /thread

If OP would rather spend three years in New York instead of Chicago, NYU with the Vanderbilt would be a defensible choice as well.

Ruby stipend >> Vanderbilt

[jbagelboy]

Rubenstein withiut a shadow of a doubt

[NotPanicking]

I presume most people who get into Harvard have the option of a full ride at a T14, but threads such a these make it seem as though HYS is never justifiable given such a choice. Is it just sons and daughters of billionaires and deluded optimists going to Harvard, or do TLS posters overlook hidden value of having one of these schools on your resume?

THIS. I'm trying to decide between the Rubenstein (meaning I'll graduate with $45k, total) or Harvard (with financial aid, looking at around $200k). I know debt is scary and can have a significant effect on retirement, homeownership, long run stuff, but is the choice really this easy? Take the money?

I took a similar scholarship at Duke for undergrad and turned down Stanford in the process, and I definitely am not sure, even years later, that that was the right choice. :/