C/O 2016 Class Profiles Forum

[Yukos]

Somebody at SLS knows how to manage a wait list. Class size for c/o 2012-2015 hasn't deviated a single person from 180.

180.

[jingosaur]

Any chance one of Columbia, NYU, or Penn take an LSAT median hit?

CLS: I doubt it. Seemed like the guidelines for 170-172 remained roughly as they were in past years. But a big school that didn't really drop class size, so I suppose it's possible. They haven't told us anything regarding numbers.
NYU: Probably. I would've said maybe before based on the fact that they seemed quite eager to pull in 170s with GPAs they may not have taken in years past. Plus they're big enough so that smaller differences are magnified. But now that they have 168/172 splits, I'd say 170 seems likely to follow.
Penn: I doubt it, based on pretty robust rejection rates of 170+. But if Michigan and UVA both dropped, it's on the table.

Of course, clearly my predictive skills suck, so take my words with a grain of salt.

seriously though how is penn rejecting all those 170s? this has gotta be one of biggest mysteries of the 2012-2013 cycle.

What's this noise about Penn rejecting 170's?!?!?!?

[bouleversement]

Somebody at SLS knows how to manage a wait list. Class size for c/o 2012-2015 hasn't deviated a single person from 180.

180.

But of course...

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Somebody at SLS knows how to manage a wait list. Class size for c/o 2012-2015 hasn't deviated a single person from 180.

180.

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[bouleversement]

Might we see Harvard lowering the GPA floor in order to preserve the 173 median?

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Might we see Harvard lowering the GPA floor in order to preserve the 173 median?

Some suggest this has already taken place. That Harvard used to have a 3.7 floor but were more amenable to 3.5 and 3.6 this cycle.

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[bouleversement]

I really wish that the other T14 shared this data.

I'll second that.

It looks like before long HYSCCN will be the only 170+ schools. I could see a further relaxation of GPA floors to maintain that exclusivity.

[jingosaur]

I've posted this elsewhere, but this is the most recent data (Class of 2015) for Yale from the latest ABA Official Guide:



It is interesting to see that Yale literally has "hard floors" of 3.5 for GPA and 155 for LSAT that bring one's chances to 0% if they don't meet them. I really wish that the other T14 shared this data.

EDIT: I just noticed that the total for admits with 3.50-3.74 GPAs is wrong... the ABA should have it showing as "30" instead of "3."

I also love how lawyers at numbers.

ABA also made an addition mistake on the ABA format results. "Employed Total" for the "Long Term Full Time" in the job type break-out table (3rd table down) has 203 instead of 206. Someone needs to teach the ABA how to use the SUM function...

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=yale&show=ABA

[Cicero76]

I've posted this elsewhere, but this is the most recent data (Class of 2015) for Yale from the latest ABA Official Guide:



It is interesting to see that Yale literally has "hard floors" of 3.5 for GPA and 155 for LSAT that bring one's chances to 0% if they don't meet them. I really wish that the other T14 shared this data.

EDIT: I just noticed that the total for admits with 3.50-3.74 GPAs is wrong... the ABA should have it showing as "30" instead of "3."

I also love how lawyers at numbers.

ABA also made an addition mistake on the ABA format results. "Employed Total" for the "Long Term Full Time" in the job type break-out table (3rd table down) has 203 instead of 206. Someone needs to teach the ABA how to use the SUM function...

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=yale&show=ABA

An interesting thing to note: Yale sent all of us students an email with the full employment info of everyone who responded to their employment survey from the class of 2012. Not just what type of job, but very specific. As in "so and so is an associate at the Delaware office of Amnesty International." It was very interesting, useful, and informative. By far the most complete and specific employment info I've ever seen. But it's not public and we aren't allowed to share, which is wise considering the absurd amount of personal information involved.

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[tirakon]

I've posted this elsewhere, but this is the most recent data (Class of 2015) for Yale from the latest ABA Official Guide:


It is interesting to see that Yale literally has "hard floors" of 3.5 for GPA and 155 for LSAT that bring one's chances to 0% if they don't meet them. I really wish that the other T14 shared this data.

EDIT: I just noticed that the total for admits with 3.50-3.74 GPAs is wrong... the ABA should have it showing as "30" instead of "3."

I also love how lawyers at numbers.

ABA also made an addition mistake on the ABA format results. "Employed Total" for the "Long Term Full Time" in the job type break-out table (3rd table down) has 203 instead of 206. Someone needs to teach the ABA how to use the SUM function...

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=yale&show=ABA

An interesting thing to note: Yale sent all of us students an email with the full employment info of everyone who responded to their employment survey from the class of 2012. Not just what type of job, but very specific. As in "so and so is an associate at the Delaware office of Amnesty International." It was very interesting, useful, and informative. By far the most complete and specific employment info I've ever seen. But it's not public and we aren't allowed to share, which is wise considering the absurd amount of personal information involved.

Not even just for the class of 2012. They also sent us very specific lists for what current students are doing over the summer. I agree with Cicero, it was very interesting and useful.

[bouleversement]

Some suggest this has already taken place. That Harvard used to have a 3.7 floor but were more amenable to 3.5 and 3.6 this cycle.

Is it not beyond the realm of possibility then that we may find as early as c/o 2017 170+ applicants with a competitive advantage at HYSCCN and a competitive disadvantage at the lower T14?

[jingosaur]

Some suggest this has already taken place. That Harvard used to have a 3.7 floor but were more amenable to 3.5 and 3.6 this cycle.

Is it not beyond the realm of possibility then that we may find as early as c/o 2017 170+ applicants with a competitive advantage at HYSCCN and a competitive disadvantage at the lower T14?

Right now, I think that's crazy talk, but it's definitely possible. People with 170/3.75 are getting $80k to $120k at the lower T14 right now and $60 at UVA when 3-4 years ago, they were getting like $45k at the lower T14 and sticker at UVA if they even got in. Maybe top law schools will start being like business schools and taking a more "holistic" approach to admissions to justify the lower numbers.

[shaynislegend]

When is or is there a standard date that this admissions data has to be made public?

[bouleversement]

Spivey said the schools get data to the ABA by October. Don't know when it is released by the ABA.

[SteelPenguin]

Spivey said the schools get data to the ABA by October. Don't know when it is released by the ABA.

I don't know when it is required, but GW said they'd release their numbers after they submit them in October. I'd imagine we'll get some other schools at that point too.

[Sinatra]

Columbia posted.

LSAT:
169 171 173

GPA:
3.54 3.70 3.81

[Vincent]

Columbia posted.

LSAT:
169 170 173

GPA:
3.54 3.70 3.81

That LSAT is the average LSAT. Median is 171.

[twenty]

Median is 171.

Still. Shit.

[Sinatra]

Columbia posted.

LSAT:
169 170 173

GPA:
3.54 3.70 3.81

That LSAT is the average LSAT. Median is 171.

My bad. edited. Still down a point.

[JurisDoctorSeuss]

Georgetown University Law Center reported their class size, median LSAT, and median GPA in a local paper, which Leiter posted: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

2013 Entering Class
Median GPA: 3.75 +.03
Median LSAT: 168 -1
Class Size: 544 -31 or 5.39%

2012 Entering Class
Median GPA: 3.72 25%/75% 3.43/3.82
Median LSAT: 169 25%/75% 165/170
Class Size: 575

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... eneral.cfm

[JurisDoctorSeuss]

Cornell posted their numbers: http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... ration.cfm

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)[Based off info from this article: http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArt ... &thepage=2]

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167


2012 Entering Class (194 Matriculants)
25% GPA: 3.54
Median GPA: 3.68
75% GPA: 3.77

25% LSAT: 166
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 169

[SteelPenguin]

Cornell posted their numbers: http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... ration.cfm

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)[Based off info from this article: http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArt ... &thepage=2]

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167


2012 Entering Class (194 Matriculants)
25% GPA: 3.54
Median GPA: 3.68
75% GPA: 3.77

25% LSAT: 166
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 169

Wow, Cornell took a beating. I wasn't expecting that. Hopefully that means even better chances for schollies.

[hephaestus]

Cornell posted their numbers: http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... ration.cfm

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)[Based off info from this article: http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/PubArt ... &thepage=2]

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167


2012 Entering Class (194 Matriculants)
25% GPA: 3.54
Median GPA: 3.68
75% GPA: 3.77

25% LSAT: 166
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 169

Wow, Cornell took a beating. I wasn't expecting that. Hopefully that means even better chances for schollies.

I imagine them having ED this year may be a result of this year's subpar numbers.