Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School: #TrustTheProcess Forum

[zozo]

Summary of most mentioned in this thread for OP or anyone who wishes to compile:

Chicago- 82.7%
Columbia- 79.2%
Stanford- 77.9%
Penn- 76.8%
Duke- 74.5%
Yale- 72.3%
UVA- 70.3%
Harvard- 70.1%
Northwestern- 69.4%
Michigan- 61.0%
UCLA- 44.8%
Texas- 41.8%
Notre Dame- 40.2%
GW- 35.5%
Fordham- 35.4%
WUSTL- 33.8%
Emory- 29.9%
UIUC- 28.7%
UC Irvine- 28.2%
W&M- 25.3%
SMU- 24.3%
W&L- 23.0%
UC Hastings- 21.8%
Brooklyn- 21.7%
Iowa- 21.2%
Kentucky- 20.5%
tOSU- 20.5%
UW- 18.8%
Tennessee- 18.8%
Indiana- 18.7%
Tulane- 18.7%
Cardozo- 18.0%
Houston- 17.7%
Howard- 17.2%
Temple- 17.0%
UC Davis- 15.7%
American- 15.3%
Wisconsin- 14.2%
Villanova- 14.1%
Florida- 13.9%
Pitt- 13.8%
Arizona- 13.2%
Wake Forest- 12.3%
Colorado- 11.9%
ASU- 10.9%
Maryland- 10.3%

[existentialcrisis]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

[Biglaw1990]

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[jbagelboy]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

Considering that WLRK recruits from Penn and not UVA, yes, I do think there's a difference.

Okay that's like 4-6 jobs at most each year
this is a terrible point

[jbagelboy]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

and yes, the bolded is dumb. if penn cut its class size by 50 students, it wouldn't substantially change its placement %. There would still be a top of the class and bottom of the class, and the bottom of the class would still risk striking out.

[existentialcrisis]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

Considering that WLRK recruits from Penn and not UVA, yes, I do think there's a difference.

I can't imagine that Wachtell wouldn't be willing to take a look at top student from UVA. It's not like WLRK is willing to dig deep into our class or anything.

Also, from what I know about UVA, it's top 10%, LR types tend to head to DC. This is not because they can't land jobs at elite NY firms.

[Biglaw1990]

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[lymenheimer]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

Considering that WLRK recruits from Penn and not UVA, yes, I do think there's a difference.

I can't imagine that Wachtell wouldn't be willing to take a look at top student from UVA. It's not like WLRK is willing to dig deep into our class or anything.

Also, from what I know about UVA, it's top 10%, LR types tend to head to DC. This is not because they can't land jobs at elite NY firms.

It's been noted in a (few?) thread(s) that WLRK doesn't officially do OCI at some schools (aka Duke) but will invite top students to their suite for a visit during OCI. I guess that's almost totally speculative, except there are students of various school pedigrees currently working at WLRK. So there's that.

[stretchedtoothin]

Wachtell actively recruits (via resume drops) and extends offers at lower T14s, too (i.e., Cornell, Northwestern, and maybe Georgetown). You don't have to be a top five student to receive an offer, either.

[Biglaw1990]

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[Lincoln]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

Considering that WLRK recruits from Penn and not UVA, yes, I do think there's a difference.

Okay that's like 4-6 jobs at most each year
this is a terrible point

I think it's safe to assume that Penn is more reputable since the most selective corporate firm recruits at Penn and not UVA. Just my $.02. In reality, that doesn't make much of a difference in terms of prospects for the average student, but it says something about the respective schools' reputations.

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I didn't go to Penn, UVA or Michigan -- but even apart from recume drops, the above is nonsense. A lot of factors -- some known, some unknowable -- go into where a firm decides to recruit, including but not limited to where the current hiring partners (or other heavyweight partners) went to school, where the firm historically has been successful recruiting top students, and geographic location. For example, my firm recruits at Fordham but not Northwestern. Maybe it's as simple as that WLRK's status as a premier M&A shop means they are interested in top JD/MBA students, and therefore it makes sense to recruit at the school that has arguably the best b-school in the country.

[lymenheimer]

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I didn't go to Penn, UVA or Michigan -- but even apart from recume drops, the above is nonsense. A lot of factors -- some known, some unknowable -- go into where a firm decides to recruit, including but not limited to where the current hiring partners (or other heavyweight partners) went to school, where the firm historically has been successful recruiting top students, and geographic location. For example, my firm recruits at Fordham but not Northwestern. Maybe it's as simple as that WLRK's status as a premier M&A shop means they are interested in top JD/MBA students, and therefore it makes sense to recruit at the school that has arguably the best b-school in the country.

Well ftr, Biglaw hasn't gone to any of those schools either. Dude is a UPenn ED admit who has been trolling the forums with his "UPenn preftige" mess since he joined.

[krads153]

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I didn't go to Penn, UVA or Michigan -- but even apart from recume drops, the above is nonsense. A lot of factors -- some known, some unknowable -- go into where a firm decides to recruit, including but not limited to where the current hiring partners (or other heavyweight partners) went to school, where the firm historically has been successful recruiting top students, and geographic location. For example, my firm recruits at Fordham but not Northwestern. Maybe it's as simple as that WLRK's status as a premier M&A shop means they are interested in top JD/MBA students, and therefore it makes sense to recruit at the school that has arguably the best b-school in the country.

Well ftr, Biglaw hasn't gone to any of those schools either. Dude is a UPenn ED admit who has been trolling the forums with his "UPenn preftige" mess since he joined.

Someone who is paying sticker for law school as an ED admit shouldn't be giving advice on anything. Also dude thinks that getting paid a biglaw salary means "living well" in NYC...obviously has no idea what it's like to live in NYC and has no standards nor does this dude know anybody rich.

[existentialcrisis]

I was unaware about resume drops. My knowledge is limited to WLRK's website. Thanks for the info!

Generally, my point was that you cannot measure placement power by a school's representation at one elite firm. In the same vein, it would be ridiculous to draw the conclusion that UVA is more reputable because there are way more UVA grads at W&C.

[krads153]

Keep classes around 290-300 and you're looking at 70%~ which is in line with the rest of the T14.

Well, if Penn cut its class by 50-60 people, it would probably place close to 100% (as would other top feeder schools). A feeder school should be able to place well regardless of size.

The bolded is dumb. And I'm pretty sure you just made up "feeder schools."

I very seriously doubt that big law employers look at Penn and UVA substantially differently. I'll admit that Michigan's employment stats are concerning, but do you really think there is some kind of massive difference in grade cut-offs for the schools.

Considering that WLRK recruits from Penn and not UVA, yes, I do think there's a difference.

Okay that's like 4-6 jobs at most each year
this is a terrible point

I think it's safe to assume that Penn is more reputable since the most selective corporate firm recruits at Penn and not UVA. Just my $.02. In reality, that doesn't make much of a difference in terms of prospects for the average student, but it says something about the respective schools' reputations.

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I didn't go to Penn, UVA or Michigan -- but even apart from recume drops, the above is nonsense. A lot of factors -- some known, some unknowable -- go into where a firm decides to recruit, including but not limited to where the current hiring partners (or other heavyweight partners) went to school, where the firm historically has been successful recruiting top students, and geographic location. For example, my firm recruits at Fordham but not Northwestern. Maybe it's as simple as that WLRK's status as a premier M&A shop means they are interested in top JD/MBA students, and therefore it makes sense to recruit at the school that has arguably the best b-school in the country.

My firm's NYC office doesn't actively recruit at Stanford or Berkeley...doesn't mean they wouldn't hire from there.

I also resume dropped some Southern firms who didn't bother coming to my law school and got a couple callbacks/offers back in the day.

[Biglaw1990]

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[krads153]

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I didn't go to Penn, UVA or Michigan -- but even apart from recume drops, the above is nonsense. A lot of factors -- some known, some unknowable -- go into where a firm decides to recruit, including but not limited to where the current hiring partners (or other heavyweight partners) went to school, where the firm historically has been successful recruiting top students, and geographic location. For example, my firm recruits at Fordham but not Northwestern. Maybe it's as simple as that WLRK's status as a premier M&A shop means they are interested in top JD/MBA students, and therefore it makes sense to recruit at the school that has arguably the best b-school in the country.

Well ftr, Biglaw hasn't gone to any of those schools either. Dude is a UPenn ED admit who has been trolling the forums with his "UPenn preftige" mess since he joined.

Someone who is paying sticker for law school as an ED admit shouldn't be giving advice on anything. Also dude thinks that getting paid a biglaw salary means "living well" in NYC...obviously has no idea what it's like to live in NYC and has no standards nor does this dude know anybody rich.

1. I am not paying sticker
2. 160k (+15k bonus) is comfortable for NYC
I don't know how this turned into a bashing session. I was just pointing out that WLRK recruits at Penn and not UVA, and then this (^) happened.

1. Are parents paying? If so, they probably have like 10 million, and if the latter is true, then you wouldn't think 160k was a comfortable living in NYC....
2. Not even going to bother arguing with you on this point, except you have no standards.

[zot1]

I'll start compiling the schools below

School: (biglaw + fed clerk)

SLS: 80%
Penn: 77%
Duke: 76.44%
HLS: 70.8%
UVA: 70.3%
UMich: 60.5%
UCLA: 44.8%
GW: 35.48%
Fordham: 35.37%

Can you also do bar passage required rate? Otherwise it's just a thread for biglaw people.

[lymenheimer]

I don't know how this turned into a bashing session. I was just pointing out that WLRK recruits at Penn and not UVA, and then this (^) happened.

It generally happens when a 0L is schilling incorrect information and trying to pass it as fact.

[krads153]

I don't know how this turned into a bashing session. I was just pointing out that WLRK recruits at Penn and not UVA, and then this (^) happened.

It generally happens when a 0L is schilling incorrect information and trying to pass it as fact.

Not to mention he makes facts up and even gives advice about government jobs (god knows where he's pulling that from). I don't know why he bothers giving advice about job prospects when he has never worked biglaw, a gov job, or (probably) any legal job.

[Nebby]

I think I'm also going to make a separate compilation of PI/Government, but based on total numbers and not percent of class size, it would be odd to qualify opting-out of the default (biglaw+fed clerk) as the same as the default. Make sense?

For instance, if one T14 has a class size of 200 and the other 400, but both send 30 people each to PI, the fact that they both send 30 people is equally valuable in terms of your ability to obtain a PI gig.

Feel free to persuade me in the opposite direction

[zot1]

That sounds good, except I don't get why not as a percentage of the class. That makes more sense to me. But I'm also not an expert nor do I need to go to law school.

[zot1]

Ugh NO ONE needs to go to law school.

[BVest]

I think I'm also going to make a separate compilation of PI/Government, but based on total numbers and not percent of class size, it would be odd to qualify opting-out of the default (biglaw+fed clerk) as the same as the default. Make sense?

For instance, if one T14 has a class size of 200 and the other 400, but both send 30 people each to PI, the fact that they both send 30 people is equally valuable in terms of your ability to obtain a PI gig.

Feel free to persuade me in the opposite direction

Put it together in a google spreadsheet, include both raw and percentages. People can sort as they wish.

[Nebby]

That sounds good, except I don't get why not as a percentage of the class. That makes more sense to me. But I'm also not an expert nor do I need to go to law school.

Utilizing C/O '14 data:
If someone is wondering, "hmm should I go to CLS or UVA for PI," the fact that CLS sent 6% to PI and UVA 4% to PI doesn't seem like a huge difference. But that difference is big if you're looking at total numbers, because CLS sent 29 to PI and UVA 15 to PI, which is almost twice as many students, but such insight cannot be gleaned by judging 4% to 6%.