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James.K.Polk

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by James.K.Polk » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:24 pm
fliptrip wrote:slizerd wrote:
Now that I've decided on Penn, I feel like I should convince you to come here too bc
you're awesome and it would still be cool to be neighbors!

I'll second that! JKP is awesome and you definitely should go to Penn. And the real James K. Polk is probably the best president who isn't commonly regarded as such, so that's a bonus!
(as long as the price is right and you have biglaw goals...lol)
D'aww thanks guys. Flip, are you set on Penn?
Still waiting on merit $$ (If I get any) so keep your fingers crossed!
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Biglaw1990

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by Biglaw1990 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:25 pm
slizerd wrote:Toodle-loo wrote:If I remember correctly, Cron is a 2L at Michigan and I'm assuming Michlaw is either a student or an alum, so if that's any representation of the student body, I don't blame Sliz for running.

Lol this thread is making me increasingly happier that I chose Penn
Great choice!

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by fliptrip » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:27 pm
James.K.Polk wrote:fliptrip wrote:slizerd wrote:
Now that I've decided on Penn, I feel like I should convince you to come here too bc
you're awesome and it would still be cool to be neighbors!

I'll second that! JKP is awesome and you definitely should go to Penn. And the real James K. Polk is probably the best president who isn't commonly regarded as such, so that's a bonus!
(as long as the price is right and you have biglaw goals...lol)
D'aww thanks guys. Flip, are you set on Penn?
Still waiting on merit $$ (If I get any) so keep your fingers crossed!
Oh nooooo...I didn't apply to Penn. But you're smart enough to figure out how I would have acquired all this detailed knowledge. LOL.
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James.K.Polk

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by James.K.Polk » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:28 pm
fliptrip wrote:James.K.Polk wrote:fliptrip wrote:slizerd wrote:
Now that I've decided on Penn, I feel like I should convince you to come here too bc
you're awesome and it would still be cool to be neighbors!

I'll second that! JKP is awesome and you definitely should go to Penn. And the real James K. Polk is probably the best president who isn't commonly regarded as such, so that's a bonus!
(as long as the price is right and you have biglaw goals...lol)
D'aww thanks guys. Flip, are you set on Penn?
Still waiting on merit $$ (If I get any) so keep your fingers crossed!
Oh nooooo...I didn't apply to Penn. But you're smart enough to figure out how I would have acquired all this detailed knowledge. LOL.

I like to think I am. I love trolling the WUSTL law page, myself.
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eph

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by eph » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:31 pm
Can't really comment on Penn. Withdrew before I got an answer. Of HYS I choose H. S was a tough one. Incredible school. Special snowflake instead of Harvard brute force had it's appeal and the weather and the people. Y was an easy decision, at least for me. Had a few full rides and Michigan was incredibly tempting. Liked the place and the people. They could not have been nicer or more professional. The odd part in most of these decisions is that the wonderful faculty advising you to turn down HYS for their amazing schools, and they are amazing schools, all went to HYS.
Sorry you had a bad experience. I think your situation was the exception not the rule. But Penn will be just fine. Good luck.
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cron1834

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by cron1834 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:54 pm
Toodle-loo wrote:If I remember correctly, Cron is a 2L at Michigan and I'm assuming Michlaw is either a student or an alum, so if that's any representation of the student body, I don't blame Sliz for running.
You have pretty clearly painted yourself as the least-informed poster on TLS on a number of occasions, so your foray into yet another thread is actually comical.
The point here isn't that OP should necessarily have chosen Michigan. It's that admissions staff and internet meanies are literally the worst possible bases for making a quarter million dollar decision. Penn has demonstrably better biglaw numbers than Mich, but that seems a bit tacked-on here, in the absence of a meaningful projection of COAs and longterm debt costs. I mean seriously, the number of people who were in the admissions office the one moment you were there? That's how an adult is deciding to go into mortgage-level debt?
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slizerd

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by slizerd » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:59 pm
cron1834 wrote:Toodle-loo wrote:If I remember correctly, Cron is a 2L at Michigan and I'm assuming Michlaw is either a student or an alum, so if that's any representation of the student body, I don't blame Sliz for running.
You have pretty clearly painted yourself as the least-informed poster on TLS on a number of occasions, so your foray into yet another thread is actually comical.
The point here isn't that OP should necessarily have chosen Michigan. It's that admissions staff and internet meanies are literally the worst possible
bases basis for making a quarter million dollar decision. Penn has demonstrably better biglaw numbers than Mich, but that seems a bit tacked-on here, in the absence of a meaningful projection of COAs and longterm debt costs. I mean seriously, the number of people who were in the admissions office the one moment you were there? That's how an adult is deciding to go into mortgage-level debt?
I'm so glad you were sitting next to me as I made this decision and can thus analyze my decisive methods so well!
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by cron1834 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:02 pm
slizerd wrote:cron1834 wrote:Toodle-loo wrote:If I remember correctly, Cron is a 2L at Michigan and I'm assuming Michlaw is either a student or an alum, so if that's any representation of the student body, I don't blame Sliz for running.
You have pretty clearly painted yourself as the least-informed poster on TLS on a number of occasions, so your foray into yet another thread is actually comical.
The point here isn't that OP should necessarily have chosen Michigan. It's that admissions staff and internet meanies are literally the worst possible
bases basis for making a quarter million dollar decision. Penn has demonstrably better biglaw numbers than Mich, but that seems a bit tacked-on here, in the absence of a meaningful projection of COAs and longterm debt costs. I mean seriously, the number of people who were in the admissions office the one moment you were there? That's how an adult is deciding to go into mortgage-level debt?
I'm so glad you were sitting next to me as I made this decision and can thus analyze my decisive methods so well!
Is the plural of "basis" not "bases"? Since, you know, people have mentioned more than one irrelevant thing being considered ITT? Whatever, it's your money, good luck to you.
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by krads153 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:06 pm
fliptrip wrote:krads153 wrote:
I don't take those USNews rankings seriously - I will say that the cities that are my favorite (e.g, Seattle/Portland/SF pre-influx of outsiders/out of staters who have ruined the state of California) are nothing like Philly...so I guess you understand why I think it's a shithole.
In general, to be fair, I think the East Coast is kind of a shithole though and overrated......with Philly being one of the worst on the East Coast.
This is fun. Let me get on record:
1. I do not take any USNews city ranking seriously, nor should anyone else.
2. It is beyond an understatement to say that I understand why if your favorite cities are Seattle and Portland, you will find a city like Philly to be sort of like a surrealistic nightmare of human existence.
Since I puffed my chest out about being balanced, here's some not too nice truth for you OP:
1. Philly is dirty. You will encounter trash on the street and smells and all kinds of stuff.
2. Philly's public transit sucks. You can't get a ton of places on the subway and you'll never have time to master the regional rail system.
3. Philly is fairly provincial. Most people in Philly are from Philly.
4. Parts of Philly are dangerous for real. Like I said, don't go to North Philly.
5. Philly's infrastructure sucks ass. Streets are too narrow and you have more than a passing wonder about how some of the bridges stay standing.
6. East coast people aren't "nice". I really struggled with this until I just accepted that they aren't nice. They don't mean anything by it, but it's definitely noticeable if you come from a more polite culture.
7. Philly doesn't have great food, if you're not into the whole artery clogging thing. Remember, the area's signature foods are soft pretzels and steak sandwiches.
Yeah, based on your list, pretty much nothing about Philly appeals to me....I also don't love steak or soft pretzels. I'm more of a hole in the wall ethnic food type person. And the weather is pretty bad on the East Coast imo. And you're right - East Coasters are generally less nice/more miserable looking than people in pretty much every other region I've lived in (West Coast, Midwest, Southwest). Don't know why. But I spent some time in Phoenix recently and they were all friendly and happy at like 10 pm while bagging my groceries in a grocery store....that shit never happens on the East Coast. The moment I come back to NYC...I'm always like why the f do people look so miserable all the time?
Needless to say pretty much nobody who originally comes from another region and works on the East Coast stays on the East Coast for the long term, especially not West Coasters....
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krads153

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by krads153 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:16 pm
landshoes wrote:krads153 wrote:fliptrip wrote:krads153 wrote:
To be fair to the posters shitting on Philly, I've lived pretty much everywhere except the South (am a West Coaster originally) and Philly is kind of a shithole compared to like 90+% of cities in the US.....it's one thing to troll for Penn, it's another thing to troll for Philly....the only people who would do that grew up there imo have actually spent enough time there to offer a detailed and balanced opinion.
FTFY. I
grew up in the freaking #1 ranked city to live in the US according to USNews new city rankings (and proud we are of all of them for expanding their rankings into yet another facet of our lives), and I love Philly. But, as I demonstrated, I actually know something about Philly. Philly's very easy to dismiss as a shithole if your only knowledge of it is from Rocky, passing through on Amtrak, or visiting for a spell.
This is of course a "religious" debate. I and others like it, you and several others don't. Not too much we can take from that. But at least OP can take some specific advice about how Philly can be made enjoyable.
I don't take those USNews rankings seriously - I will say that the cities that are my favorite (e.g, Seattle/Portland/SF pre-influx of outsiders/out of staters who have ruined the state of California) are nothing like Philly...so I guess you understand why I think it's a shithole.
In general, to be fair, I think the East Coast is kind of a shithole, overrated and geographically hideous, with Philly being one of the worst on the East Coast. I think NYC itself is an ugly, overrated city with hideous architecture and no natural beauty......but it has other stuff going for it (albeit at a very high cost).
NYC is a bit homely. I wouldn't call it overrated, though. I find most other American cities are basically non-functional as cities (SF being one of the worst offenders).
The main attraction for the average person in NYC is shopping or drinking at bars...so imo it's overrated. I think NYC has just become so commercialized and all about shopping.....maybe it was more interesting back when it was more "ghetto." People also make the "culture" argument, but the average person doesn't know shit about music or ballet or art...so going to a show and feigning interest/understanding in the "arts" is just so pretentious and pointless to me. Plus most people who live here don't even have time and/or money to do anything that NYC offers - they just spend most of their time working to pay 4k a month for a one bed.
SF is overrun by outsiders now (and it's unliveable these days for young people trying to buy a place), and it also has its fair share of pretentious people (although a different breed), but at least it is geographically beautiful.
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by jbagelboy » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:25 pm
krads153 wrote:
The main attraction for the average person in NYC is shopping or drinking at bars...so imo it's overrated. I think NYC has just become so commercialized and all about shopping.....maybe it was more interesting back when it was more "ghetto." People also make the "culture" argument, but the average person doesn't know shit about music or ballet or art...so going to a show and feigning interest/understanding in the "arts" is just so pretentious and pointless to me. Plus most people who live here don't even have time and/or money to do anything that NYC offers - they just spend most of their time working to pay 4k a month for a one bed.
why do you assume people are necessarily feigning interest in the arts? what if you genuinely like art, music, and theater, and you appreciate that New York has it in abundance? how is that pretentious or pointless if its an important part of your life and happiness? FYI seeing "a show" (e.g. broadway) is not really the culture worth having, that's mostly just tourism.
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by Tls2016 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:48 am
jbagelboy wrote:krads153 wrote:
The main attraction for the average person in NYC is shopping or drinking at bars...so imo it's overrated. I think NYC has just become so commercialized and all about shopping.....maybe it was more interesting back when it was more "ghetto." People also make the "culture" argument, but the average person doesn't know shit about music or ballet or art...so going to a show and feigning interest/understanding in the "arts" is just so pretentious and pointless to me. Plus most people who live here don't even have time and/or money to do anything that NYC offers - they just spend most of their time working to pay 4k a month for a one bed.
why do you assume people are necessarily feigning interest in the arts? what if you genuinely like art, music, and theater, and you appreciate that New York has it in abundance? how is that pretentious or pointless if its an important part of your life and happiness? FYI seeing "a show" (e.g. broadway) is not really the culture worth having, that's mostly just tourism.
One of the great things about the city is that people go to the real cultural or art events in large numbers. When I was a kid we alternated among visiting different museums every week. The Natural History museum used to be open late on Fridays and the Met still is. Lots of New Yorkers do that kind of thing.
Actually the same thing is true for sports as well, if you prefer that to art. There are lots of teams and sporting a subway ride away.
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by fliptrip » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:15 am
God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
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by Tls2016 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:27 am
fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
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by fliptrip » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:34 am
You're right, but unfortunately, we don't have the person choosing between a TTT at sticker and TTTT w/a top 10% stip who wants to break into entertainment law. You gotta have that stimulus to draw out Mr./Mrs. 5 house.
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by slizerd » Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:00 am
Tls2016 wrote:fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
I'm just disappointed no one has told me to retake
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by Generally » Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:15 am
slizerd wrote:Tls2016 wrote:fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
I'm just disappointed no one has told me to retake
You should probably take a year or two off, law school will always be there, and
being a lawyer sucks.
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by slizerd » Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:25 am
Generally wrote:slizerd wrote:Tls2016 wrote:fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
I'm just disappointed no one has told me to retake
You should probably take a year or two off, law school will always be there, and being a lawyer sucks.
No way, my cousin's girlfriend's dad is a lawyer and he didnt even go to a T14 and loves his job
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by WinterComing » Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:26 am
slizerd wrote:Generally wrote:slizerd wrote:Tls2016 wrote:fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
I'm just disappointed no one has told me to retake
You should probably take a year or two off, law school will always be there, and being a lawyer sucks.
No way, my cousin's girlfriend's dad is a lawyer and he didnt even go to a T14 and loves his job
Yeah but how many houses does he have? And how does he feel about the crime rate in Philadelphia?
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by slizerd » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:08 pm
WinterComing wrote:slizerd wrote:Generally wrote:slizerd wrote:Tls2016 wrote:fliptrip wrote:God bless this place. Somehow a conversation about Penn vs. Michigan has turned into a debate about New York City. Amazing. If we somehow end up talking about undergraduate school prestige, then it will be complete.
Disagree. We need an anecdote about someone somebody knows from a bad school owning 5 houses and making bank. We still need a name for that.
I'm just disappointed no one has told me to retake
You should probably take a year or two off, law school will always be there, and being a lawyer sucks.
No way, my cousin's girlfriend's dad is a lawyer and he didnt even go to a T14 and loves his job
Yeah but how many houses does he have? And how does he feel about the crime rate in Philadelphia?
Real talk: my SO was ridiculously over-worried about the crime rate in Philly to the point that he thought we would get mugged immediately after getting off the airplane

after spending a few days there and jumping at everything, he's finally come around lol
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by krads153 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:17 pm
jbagelboy wrote:krads153 wrote:
The main attraction for the average person in NYC is shopping or drinking at bars...so imo it's overrated. I think NYC has just become so commercialized and all about shopping.....maybe it was more interesting back when it was more "ghetto." People also make the "culture" argument, but the average person doesn't know shit about music or ballet or art...so going to a show and feigning interest/understanding in the "arts" is just so pretentious and pointless to me. Plus most people who live here don't even have time and/or money to do anything that NYC offers - they just spend most of their time working to pay 4k a month for a one bed.
why do you assume people are necessarily feigning interest in the arts? what if you genuinely like art, music, and theater, and you appreciate that New York has it in abundance? how is that pretentious or pointless if its an important part of your life and happiness? FYI seeing "a show" (e.g. broadway) is not really the culture worth having, that's mostly just tourism.
It's hard to truly appreciate it if you have no prior training (at least certain aspects of art/music/theater). (I say this as someone with years of training in one of those...) I think a lot of New Yorkers are pretentious so I might be reading into it. A lot of New Yorkers say there is "a lack of culture" outside of NYC - but that's just plain wrong as well.
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by fliptrip » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:54 pm
krads153 wrote:
It's hard to truly appreciate it if you have no prior training (at least certain aspects of art/music/theater). (I say this as someone with years of training in one of those...) I think a lot of New Yorkers are pretentious so I might be reading into it. A lot of New Yorkers say there is "a lack of culture" outside of NYC - but that's just plain wrong as well.
I love you krads...you're like Bill Bryson with an agenda. You have correctly identified two absolute truths about New Yorkers: they are absolutely pretentious and a true New Yorker legitimately believes that human civilization ceases to exist west of the Hudson River.
Here's an example of the pretentiousness of New York...their flagship magazine of world news, arts, and culture, aptly titled "The New Yorker" insists on using umlauts to ensure the reader pronounces both "o"s in cooperate.
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by landshoes » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:35 pm
The best thing about New York is New Yorkers. Often terrible, never boring.
The best cultural stuff you get in NY isn't the big stuff. It's the small stuff. There's a never/ending supply of groups of 5-6 weirdos who just passionately love macaws or Volvos or hats or anagrams. Usually, if you show up two or three times and show an interest you'll be welcomed to these micro-communities with open arms. It's a lot of fun and it's fueled by New York's combination of sheer size, density, transit, and rent stabilization/control.
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by fliptrip » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:50 pm
bananatopia wrote:slizerd wrote:Real talk: my SO was ridiculously over-worried about the crime rate in Philly to the point that he thought we would get mugged immediately after getting off the airplane

after spending a few days there and jumping at everything, he's finally come around lol
University City is a reasonably safe neighborhood. Someone who lived in Philly longer than I did might tell you, "don't go past
x street", but I can speak for the neighborhood immediately surrounding the university. You've already mostly settled on your decision, so obviously you didn't let the city's reputation sway you, but I wanted to add that it's the factually correct position and it would have been unfortunate if you had let that sway you.
God bless the euphemisms we give neighborhoods with bad reputations so that people don't get scared..."Oh no, my child, Penn's not in West Philly! It's in University City!!!!!" This is related to "Columbia's not in Harlem (though this would have been more meaningful 20 years ago when Harlem scared folks)! It's in Morningside Heights!!!!"
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