2014 Rankings Released Forum

[Dr. Dre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhr5UBZh ... 56837FB21D

[PRgradBYU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhr5UBZh ... 56837FB21D

...I rest my case. Good song, though.

[Dr. Dre]

New Haven ain't that bad...

it's quite nice indeed

[Bulls1990]

New Haven ain't that bad...

it's quite nice indeed

How about those rankings? amirite.

New Haven pizza might be the best in the world but just stay away from the Green at night!

[Dr. Dre]

New Haven pizza might be the best in the world

2nd best

[Yukos]

New Haven ain't that bad...

it's quite nice indeed

You hate California and love New Haven. I really hope you're trolling.

[Dr. Dre]

You hate California and love New Haven. I really hope you're trolling.

trolling? Why do you think california is so awesome? really... it's a shithole. Yeah New Haven is crap too, but not on the level california is at.

[Goblin Tacos]

You hate California and love New Haven. I really hope you're trolling.

trolling? Why do you think california is so awesome? really... it's a shithole. Yeah New Haven is crap too, but not on the level california is at.

Right on. Omaha is #1.

Coasts can smd

[Yukos]

You hate California and love New Haven. I really hope you're trolling.

trolling? Why do you think california is so awesome? really... it's a shithole. Yeah New Haven is crap too, but not on the level california is at.

Now let me welcome everybody to the wild, wild west
A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Pack a vest for your Jimmy in the city of sex
We in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hemp beat
the state where ya never find a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens

I could go on but it might not be Fair Use.

[Dr. Dre]

Now let me welcome everybody to the wild, wild west
A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Pack a vest for your Jimmy in the city of sex
We in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hemp beat
the state where ya never find a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens

I could go on but it might not be Fair Use.

Written in 1995. Yup, very up to date of Dr. Dre's attitude of California.

[Yukos]

Now let me welcome everybody to the wild, wild west
A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Pack a vest for your Jimmy in the city of sex
We in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hemp beat
the state where ya never find a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens

I could go on but it might not be Fair Use.

Written in 1995. Yup, very up to date of Dr. Dre's attitude of California.

Ain't shit changed.

[Dr. Dre]

Ain't shit changed.

LOL! please tell me you're trolling

[yodamiked]

Confused. According to USNEWS, out of state tuition at UCLA is $51,715 per year. According to UCLA's site, it is $53,958 per year. Is USNEWS stating next year's tuition, or are they just on drugs?

[Tiago Splitter]

Confused. According to USNEWS, out of state tuition at UCLA is $51,715 per year. According to UCLA's site, it is $53,958 per year. Is USNEWS stating next year's tuition, or are they just on drugs?

It's tuition plus fees.

https://www.law.ucla.edu/current-studen ... fault.aspx

[NewYorkL]

Seton Hall making moves.

[Void]

Seton Hall making moves.

Meh. They were at 61 two years ago...

[TTRansfer]

Seton Hall making moves.

Meh. They were at 61 two years ago...

Curious how they are even as high as they are in the rankings taking into account the price of the school and their job placement data.

[jenesaislaw]

Seton Hall making moves.

Meh. They were at 61 two years ago...

Curious how they are even as high as they are in the rankings taking into account the price of the school and their job placement data.

Because almost all schools have bad outcomes and are expensive? These are relative rankings, which makes them far less useful.

[Bildungsroman]

Seton Hall making moves.

Meh. They were at 61 two years ago...

Curious how they are even as high as they are in the rankings taking into account the price of the school and their job placement data.

Because almost all schools have bad outcomes and are expensive?

Yep. A relative ranking system distorts the quality of schools because people don't realize that the difference between School #1 and school #30 is enormous while the difference between school #40 and school #80 is tiny. Seton Hall is ranked where it is partly because there just aren't that many schools that aren't terrible.

[star fox]

Well, seems like a good time to ask Illinois for more money. The school is pretty broke so I doubt I get much. But I don't think it's worth with anything less than a full ride.

[jne381]

The rankings, and now the use of employment statistics, are frustrating. Yes, it is extremely helpful for potential students, but a numbered ranking system really is a disservice. For instance, if a school is strong in a particular region or market, and that market it particularly hard hit economic turmoil, it hurts the ranking regardless of the actual quality of the education received there. Sure, job prospects are important, but why doesn't the ranking also take into account cost of tuition. That factor is surely important in a similar way as employment numbers.

It would make more sense to break the rankings down into multiple sections. Quality of education could factor in things like bar passage rate, and things like quality of the faculty. Value cold look at employment prospects and cost fo attendance. And so on and so on.

[Gatriel]

Jne -

There was a write up a few years ago breaking down the pv of a legal education v the pv of te average future salary of an attorney over a 40 year career. It's conclusion was unless you go to a ttt/+t at full sticker it's a good deal. If you're paying $40k a year for a ttt then you're a moron.

[Bildungsroman]

The rankings, and now the use of employment statistics, are frustrating. Yes, it is extremely helpful for potential students, but a numbered ranking system really is a disservice. For instance, if a school is strong in a particular region or market, and that market it particularly hard hit economic turmoil, it hurts the ranking

Good. If a school places predominately into one market, and that market has gotten much worse, the value of that school's JD program to a potential student is much worse. There are a lot of grounds to criticize the US News rankings, but I don't think one of those is that there's too much of an emphasis on employment outcomes.

[Rahviveh]

Jne -

There was a write up a few years ago breaking down the pv of a legal education v the pv of te average future salary of an attorney over a 40 year career. It's conclusion was unless you go to a ttt/+t at full sticker it's a good deal. If you're paying $40k a year for a ttt then you're a moron.

Do you have a link?

[alwayssunnyinfl]

The rankings, and now the use of employment statistics, are frustrating. Yes, it is extremely helpful for potential students, but a numbered ranking system really is a disservice. For instance, if a school is strong in a particular region or market, and that market it particularly hard hit economic turmoil, it hurts the ranking

Good. If a school places predominately into one market, and that market has gotten much worse, the value of that school's JD program to a potential student is much worse. There are a lot of grounds to criticize the US News rankings, but I don't think one of those is that there's too much of an emphasis on employment outcomes.

And not to jump on the attack-jne-bandwagon, but factoring cost into the ranking could be a disservice because costs are so disparate between different applicants. Comparing YOUR price of law school to the potential employment outcomes is the best way to go about it, irrespective of sticker price.