WUSTL $$$ v NU @ Sticker - Resolved 6/27/14 Forum

[workaholic82]

Sorry what specifically are you referring to

About similar prestige, improving prospects at wash u and shot at big law anywhere above median? It just seems like your general sentiments went counter to his...

1. Lay prestige. NU has a weird cult following in Chicago. Partly cuz NU kids think it matters that they are "cooler" than the UChicago kids. Mostly because the Midwest lacks elite schools in general so NU looks better by comparison. In the northeast no one worships it like they do in Chicago. WUSTL and NU lay prestige is pretty much same at least out here. Aka they are both schools you go to when you don't get into an Ivy and too proud or poor for BU or NYU.

2. Median prospects. Depends on how you define biglaw. Almost zero chance you get 160k unless you're IP or have some kind of internal connection. But 100k+ is still doable. Biglaw in the Midwest pays less than the coastal firms. You could also get midlaw that pays decent. Yes midlaw exists. But the hiring process for those firms aren't as rigid or formal so it's harder for me to say what will happen.

Gotcha, Thanks. You referenced plenty of problems with attending wustl. If these are things we haven't discussed before, do you mind Listing them? I want to be sure i have as compete as possible a picture.

Edit: sorry for grammar/punctuation fails; my phone seems to be possessed by a punctuation-hating demon. .

[DoveBodyWash]

Here are all the grievances I have about attending WUSTL. Keep in mind I am an asshole from the Northeast that values schadenfreude above all other emotions. These are presented in no particular order

1. Branding. Not a lot of wow-factor when you drop the W-bomb. If only our founders had named us after some other rich white dude. Too many schools named after Washington.
2. You’re a smart school in a relatively stupid region. Missouri is not known for its intellectual drive. Makes it annoying to use Tinder.
3. Hard to get friends to visit. No one in the history of ever has said “I have 2 weeks of vacation time let’s go see the Arch.” I gotta go to NYC/Boston/Chicago all the time to visit old friends
4. Firms. They’re not fighting tooth and nail to recruit us. Hurts the ego. Makes no real difference since we meet them via mass mail or off-campus days anyway. But there have been plenty of times where I’ve said “Fuck this I’m transferring to XYZ” as I write cover letters. But that’s just me throwing a tantrum.
5. The people here aren’t superficial and judgmental. This is probably a pro, but it’s a con to me because I’m used to people being superficial and judgmental and it bothers me when they’re not.
6. There are some fucking rednecks here. But they’re in the minority.
7. My class has a bunch of Vanderbilt kids that won’t shut up about Vanderbilt. I loved Vanderbilt until I came here. I hate it now out of spite. My newsfeed had more statuses about Vandy winning the College World Series than it did about USA v. Germany.
8. Most of the kids here took the ACT instead of the SAT…which is per se TTT
9. Tornado warnings.
10. I’m shorter than everyone here because these Midwestern fucks drank too much milk and I’m Asian and am partly lactose I think.
11. Because we give out a lot of scholarship, there are always tons of kids that NEED to let everyone know that they could have gone to some lower T14 but CHOSE to come here instead.
12. There are kids who didn’t have T14 options, but feel compelled to lie that they did because of the kids in #11.

In all seriousness #1 and #4 are the only material cons you’ll face by coming here.

But it starts to feel less shitty once all the “Below median at T14, paid sticker. HELP!” or “How the fuck do you pay off sticker?” threads start popping up.

[FSK]

This might be a situation where attending with a keen eye on transferring is a good idea. If you go to WUSTL, and do very well (which I'm assuming is possible given your LSAT), then you could transfer to a T14. Specifically, the argument from Sticker at HYSCCN is a hell of a lot stronger than NU, especially at HYS.

[Fiero85]

1. Branding. Not a lot of wow-factor when you drop the W-bomb. If only our founders had named us after some other rich white dude. Too many schools named after Washington

^Yeah, shoulda stuck with Elliot University...

Even Jefferson or Franklin or something would be much better.

The difference between WUSTL and overall academic peers like Vanderbilt, Emory, Northwestern, etc in name drop convenience and appeal is annoying.

[workaholic82]

Here are all the grievances I have about attending WUSTL. Keep in mind I am an asshole from the Northeast that values schadenfreude above all other emotions. These are presented in no particular order

1. Branding. Not a lot of wow-factor when you drop the W-bomb. If only our founders had named us after some other rich white dude. Too many schools named after Washington.
2. You’re a smart school in a relatively stupid region. Missouri is not known for its intellectual drive. Makes it annoying to use Tinder.
3. Hard to get friends to visit. No one in the history of ever has said “I have 2 weeks of vacation time let’s go see the Arch.” I gotta go to NYC/Boston/Chicago all the time to visit old friends
4. Firms. They’re not fighting tooth and nail to recruit us. Hurts the ego. Makes no real difference since we meet them via mass mail or off-campus days anyway. But there have been plenty of times where I’ve said “Fuck this I’m transferring to XYZ” as I write cover letters. But that’s just me throwing a tantrum.
5. The people here aren’t superficial and judgmental. This is probably a pro, but it’s a con to me because I’m used to people being superficial and judgmental and it bothers me when they’re not.
6. There are some fucking rednecks here. But they’re in the minority.
7. My class has a bunch of Vanderbilt kids that won’t shut up about Vanderbilt. I loved Vanderbilt until I came here. I hate it now out of spite. My newsfeed had more statuses about Vandy winning the College World Series than it did about USA v. Germany.
8. Most of the kids here took the ACT instead of the SAT…which is per se TTT
9. Tornado warnings.
10. I’m shorter than everyone here because these Midwestern fucks drank too much milk and I’m Asian and am partly lactose I think.
11. Because we give out a lot of scholarship, there are always tons of kids that NEED to let everyone know that they could have gone to some lower T14 but CHOSE to come here instead.
12. There are kids who didn’t have T14 options, but feel compelled to lie that they did because of the kids in #11.

In all seriousness #1 and #4 are the only material cons you’ll face by coming here.

But it starts to feel less shitty once all the “Below median at T14, paid sticker. HELP!” or “How the fuck do you pay off sticker?” threads start popping up.

Haha, amazing list. I'm particularly partial to # 5, but i also hear you on the height frontier; 5'6 and white here, so no real excuse...

[eriedoctrine]

Should just rename it "Danforth University"
Got a prestigious ring to it.

[Fiero85]

This might be a situation where attending with a keen eye on transferring is a good idea. If you go to WUSTL, and do very well (which I'm assuming is possible given your LSAT), then you could transfer to a T14. Specifically, the argument from Sticker at HYSCCN is a hell of a lot stronger than NU, especially at HYS.

Meh, WUSTL students who have the grades to transfer to HYS are already so high in the class that I'd stay at that point. Keep the scholly, land a good job, profit.

This changes if somebody is willing to give OP a transfer scholly, doh.

[DoveBodyWash]

Should just rename it "Danforth University"
Got a prestigious ring to it.

I like the sound of that

[tskela]

6 pages on this. Can't wait to finally hear your decision OP

[Fiero85]

Should just rename it "Danforth University"
Got a prestigious ring to it.

I like the sound of that

agreed

[workaholic82]

6 pages on this. Can't wait to finally hear your decision OP

Lol, kinda leaning towards joining the circus at this point...

But srsly, I'm honored at how much attention this thread has gotten. Will definitely post my decision tomorrow.

[chuckbass]

This might be a situation where attending with a keen eye on transferring is a good idea. If you go to WUSTL, and do very well (which I'm assuming is possible given your LSAT), then you could transfer to a T14. Specifically, the argument from Sticker at HYSCCN is a hell of a lot stronger than NU, especially at HYS.

Meh, WUSTL students who have the grades to transfer to HYS are already so high in the class that I'd stay at that point. Keep the scholly, land a good job, profit.

This changes if somebody is willing to give OP a transfer scholly, doh.

Yea I think there was an agreement earlier that if OP goes to WUSTL and lands biglaw, he won't be disappointed with having a degree from WUSTL. So in the case, it'd be completely counterintuitive to transfer.

[workaholic82]

Should just rename it "Danforth University"
Got a prestigious ring to it.

I like the sound of that

agreed

+1. If that were the case this thread would never have existed. Shit, I'd attend Danforth at sticker...

[anyriotgirl]

Here are all the grievances I have about attending WUSTL. Keep in mind I am an asshole from the Northeast that values schadenfreude above all other emotions. These are presented in no particular order

1. Branding. Not a lot of wow-factor when you drop the W-bomb. If only our founders had named us after some other rich white dude. Too many schools named after Washington.
2. You’re a smart school in a relatively stupid region. Missouri is not known for its intellectual drive. Makes it annoying to use Tinder.
3. Hard to get friends to visit. No one in the history of ever has said “I have 2 weeks of vacation time let’s go see the Arch.” I gotta go to NYC/Boston/Chicago all the time to visit old friends
4. Firms. They’re not fighting tooth and nail to recruit us. Hurts the ego. Makes no real difference since we meet them via mass mail or off-campus days anyway. But there have been plenty of times where I’ve said “Fuck this I’m transferring to XYZ” as I write cover letters. But that’s just me throwing a tantrum.
5. The people here aren’t superficial and judgmental. This is probably a pro, but it’s a con to me because I’m used to people being superficial and judgmental and it bothers me when they’re not.
6. There are some fucking rednecks here. But they’re in the minority.
7. My class has a bunch of Vanderbilt kids that won’t shut up about Vanderbilt. I loved Vanderbilt until I came here. I hate it now out of spite. My newsfeed had more statuses about Vandy winning the College World Series than it did about USA v. Germany.
8. Most of the kids here took the ACT instead of the SAT…which is per se TTT
9. Tornado warnings.
10. I’m shorter than everyone here because these Midwestern fucks drank too much milk and I’m Asian and am partly lactose I think.
11. Because we give out a lot of scholarship, there are always tons of kids that NEED to let everyone know that they could have gone to some lower T14 but CHOSE to come here instead.
12. There are kids who didn’t have T14 options, but feel compelled to lie that they did because of the kids in #11.

In all seriousness #1 and #4 are the only material cons you’ll face by coming here.

But it starts to feel less shitty once all the “Below median at T14, paid sticker. HELP!” or “How the fuck do you pay off sticker?” threads start popping up.

I like you cuse

[chuckbass]

Danforth sounds too much like Dartmouth, but sounds less cool. I really just don't like "Wash U," which is what 98% of people call it... Doesn't sound preftigious at all.

[workaholic82]

This might be a situation where attending with a keen eye on transferring is a good idea. If you go to WUSTL, and do very well (which I'm assuming is possible given your LSAT), then you could transfer to a T14. Specifically, the argument from Sticker at HYSCCN is a hell of a lot stronger than NU, especially at HYS.

Meh, WUSTL students who have the grades to transfer to HYS are already so high in the class that I'd stay at that point. Keep the scholly, land a good job, profit.

This changes if somebody is willing to give OP a transfer scholly, doh.

Yea I think there was an agreement earlier that if OP goes to WUSTL and lands biglaw, he won't be disappointed with having a degree from WUSTL. So in the case, it'd be completely counterintuitive to transfer.

Yea, biglaw with <100k debt is a big win to me... screw the name on my diploma. Besides, wustl isn't a bad name imo, just not elite.

[workaholic82]

Here are all the grievances I have about attending WUSTL. Keep in mind I am an asshole from the Northeast that values schadenfreude above all other emotions. These are presented in no particular order

1. Branding. Not a lot of wow-factor when you drop the W-bomb. If only our founders had named us after some other rich white dude. Too many schools named after Washington.
2. You’re a smart school in a relatively stupid region. Missouri is not known for its intellectual drive. Makes it annoying to use Tinder.
3. Hard to get friends to visit. No one in the history of ever has said “I have 2 weeks of vacation time let’s go see the Arch.” I gotta go to NYC/Boston/Chicago all the time to visit old friends
4. Firms. They’re not fighting tooth and nail to recruit us. Hurts the ego. Makes no real difference since we meet them via mass mail or off-campus days anyway. But there have been plenty of times where I’ve said “Fuck this I’m transferring to XYZ” as I write cover letters. But that’s just me throwing a tantrum.
5. The people here aren’t superficial and judgmental. This is probably a pro, but it’s a con to me because I’m used to people being superficial and judgmental and it bothers me when they’re not.
6. There are some fucking rednecks here. But they’re in the minority.
7. My class has a bunch of Vanderbilt kids that won’t shut up about Vanderbilt. I loved Vanderbilt until I came here. I hate it now out of spite. My newsfeed had more statuses about Vandy winning the College World Series than it did about USA v. Germany.
8. Most of the kids here took the ACT instead of the SAT…which is per se TTT
9. Tornado warnings.
10. I’m shorter than everyone here because these Midwestern fucks drank too much milk and I’m Asian and am partly lactose I think.
11. Because we give out a lot of scholarship, there are always tons of kids that NEED to let everyone know that they could have gone to some lower T14 but CHOSE to come here instead.
12. There are kids who didn’t have T14 options, but feel compelled to lie that they did because of the kids in #11.

In all seriousness #1 and #4 are the only material cons you’ll face by coming here.

But it starts to feel less shitty once all the “Below median at T14, paid sticker. HELP!” or “How the fuck do you pay off sticker?” threads start popping up.

I like you cuse

Who doesn't?

[Ricky-Bobby]

2. You’re a smart school in a relatively stupid region. Missouri is not known for its intellectual drive. Makes it annoying to use Tinder.
6. There are some fucking rednecks here. But they’re in the minority.

These hurt. Why are you so mean, Cuse?

[DoveBodyWash]

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[Fiero85]

Very on point, cuser.

[ManoftheHour]

I had the NU with 45k or WUSTL full ride or Penn @ sticker option. Chose WUSTL. I can comfortably pay off my total debt in FULL in 3-5 years. In early stages of OCI right now. I can tell u that it feels so swagtastic to know that most of the money i'll earn will be mine or that if i strike out, i'm not fucked forever.

This. So much this. I would imagine it feels good walking around campus not having to know how much tuition even is.

[workaholic82]

go to WUSTL, get BigLaw, make instagram account, post pictures of all the cash that's NOT going to repayment.

OP here's an anecdote from my own life that illustrates my position on it.

Have long-term SO. Want to propose sooner rather than later. Looked up engagement rings online for shits and giggles. Had heart attack once i saw prices. Once I recovered, realized that I could probably buy a decent ring with CASH if i wanted to using just my SA money. Then realized all the other shit that i could do with my money that wasn't going straight to repayment. I'm not in this because I have some intrinsic love for doc review or merger diligence. This is going to be a job for me. And i gots to get paid.

I had the NU with 45k or WUSTL full ride or Penn @ sticker option. Chose WUSTL. I can comfortably pay off my total debt in FULL in 3-5 years. In early stages of OCI right now. I can tell u that it feels so swagtastic to know that most of the money i'll earn will be mine or that if i strike out, i'm not fucked forever.

I like complaining a lot. It's fun. I like to overreact to minor inconveniences. If i was in BigLaw with that much debt, i couldn't even throw a "fuck this i'm quitting" tantrum. It's not like i will quit. But bitching about it or day dreaming about it is therapeutic. Debt would take that away from me. And NO ONE. NO ONE takes away my ability to complain.

You make a strong argument and will be a fine attorney(and fiance(no homo(not that there's anything wrong with that))). Thx man.

[chuckbass]

It's Friday...

[Micdiddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0&feature=kp

[workaholic82]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0&feature=kp

Haha, well...I'm officially a WUSTLUT. Many thanks to everyone for your advice, this community is awesome. I could not commit to $250,000.00+ in debt with all the potential pitfalls that could arise.