PSA: forget about specialties or professors--take the money Forum

[El Pollito]

Stop pretending H is with YS.

[manu6926]

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[manu6926]

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[chup]

Stop pretending H is with YS.

<3

[Hutz_and_Goodman]

much props for this thread

[manu6926]

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[UnicornHunter]

What is this IB/consulting crap assuming you can even get those jobs (probs not) it's like ooh let's get jobs that have similar problems w biglaw in terms of hours and shit SUCH OPTIONS

Plus if you weren't a dummy you'd probs just have done those after undergrad

Yeah consulting and IB are so easy to enter, right? What a piece of shit.

People who get these jobs out of HYS could have gotten them without going to HYS.

Which is the whole point. If you want to do Academia, your research and having a phd are going to be more important than where you go to school. If you want to do politics/judging, you have to be the type of person who can build up large local support bases. Nobody will care where you went to school. If you want to do IB/consulting, they're going to be looking for a top undergrad pedigree and analytical skills.

To the extent that HYS do well in these fields, it's largely a matter of selecting people who are already well qualified to get into these not-really legal fields. If you do have the background to do academia/politics/IB/whatever, you probably don't need to go to YSH. If you are not already well qualified to do these things, SHY is not going to help much. You'll be a small fish in a big pond.

[njdevils2626]

I can't tell if you're illiterate or what's going on here... I mean, those are literally the two qualifiers that rad stated might make it worth it. What are you arguing?

Can't you read? He said "maybe even if you have the shit I mentioned"

Hence the italicized might (is it easier to see if I bold it for you?). Come on man, at least try to read the posts to which you're trying to reply...

Must have learnt how to read by studying for the LSAT, based on your GPA and major.

In case you are seriously wondering about how my GPA is so low, I suffered a heart attack just prior to finals during my second year of undergrad that significantly impacted my grades. That said, I don't see how an ad hominem attack on myself qualifies as a response to your failure to read what you're trying to argue against.

[manu6926]

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[njdevils2626]

Hence the italicized might (is it easier to see if I bold it for you?). Come on man, at least try to read the posts to which you're trying to reply...

Must have learnt how to read by studying for the LSAT, based on your GPA and major.

In case you are seriously wondering about how my GPA is so low, I suffered a heart attack just prior to finals during my second year of undergrad that significantly impacted my grades. That said, I don't see how an ad hominem attack on myself qualifies as a response to your failure to read what you're trying to argue against.

good for you

Thanks bud, 'preciate it. Best wishes to you too

[manu6926]

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[rayiner]

The fact that some people have done banking and consulting with law degrees does not change the fact that its highly unlikely. Shit, if you're naming people who graduated decades apart. HYS graduated tens of thousands of people in that time. In any case, this isn't a don't go to HYS thread. Placement is an acceptable consideration for going to law school. I'm saying don't be one of those tools that goes to Columbia over NYU with money for some "prominent professor" they want to take a class with.

[Ricky-Bobby]

Why has Harvard been admitting all of these assholes this year? Is this typical? It seems like every one of these "take the money" threads devolves into some shitty flame war between Harvard 0Ls making shifty claims about "doors" and the resident lawyers telling them they're wrong. When their blatant prestige whoring and elitism (Oh, you went to NU? Prole. Your opinion is worthless.) is exposed they inevitably turn into lolitrollus.

I'm not convinced manu, emu, et al aren't all the same high schooler with many sock puppets.

[rad lulz]

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[Pragmatic Gun]

The fact that some people have done banking and consulting with law degrees does not change the fact that its highly unlikely. Shit, if you're naming people who graduated decades apart. HYS graduated tens of thousands of people in that time. In any case, this isn't a don't go to HYS thread. Placement is an acceptable consideration for going to law school. I'm saying don't be one of those tools that goes to Columbia over NYU with money for some "prominent professor" they want to take a class with.

But what if the prof offers uber connects to the POTUS, the SCOTUS, or the ICC?

[timbs4339]

Banking/consulting interviews are not like biglaw where you can walk in with the right school/grades, chat for 20 minutes about college football or your summer internship, and then walk out with an offer. HYS might get you to the first round, but they bring in a ton of candidates for a limited amount of positions and screen like crazy for personality/fit/ability. I would not go to any law school as a way to increase my opportunities in those fields.

[rad lulz]

The fact that some people have done banking and consulting with law degrees does not change the fact that its highly unlikely. Shit, if you're naming people who graduated decades apart. HYS graduated tens of thousands of people in that time. In any case, this isn't a don't go to HYS thread. Placement is an acceptable consideration for going to law school. I'm saying don't be one of those tools that goes to Columbia over NYU with money for some "prominent professor" they want to take a class with.

But what if the prof offers uber connects to the POTUS, the SCOTUS, or the ICC?

I'd you don't know French forget ab the icc

[Pragmatic Gun]

The fact that some people have done banking and consulting with law degrees does not change the fact that its highly unlikely. Shit, if you're naming people who graduated decades apart. HYS graduated tens of thousands of people in that time. In any case, this isn't a don't go to HYS thread. Placement is an acceptable consideration for going to law school. I'm saying don't be one of those tools that goes to Columbia over NYU with money for some "prominent professor" they want to take a class with.

But what if the prof offers uber connects to the POTUS, the SCOTUS, or the ICC?

I'd you don't know French forget ab the icc

I'm fluent in it!

[worldtraveler]

The fact that some people have done banking and consulting with law degrees does not change the fact that its highly unlikely. Shit, if you're naming people who graduated decades apart. HYS graduated tens of thousands of people in that time. In any case, this isn't a don't go to HYS thread. Placement is an acceptable consideration for going to law school. I'm saying don't be one of those tools that goes to Columbia over NYU with money for some "prominent professor" they want to take a class with.

But what if the prof offers uber connects to the POTUS, the SCOTUS, or the ICC?

I'd you don't know French forget ab the icc

I'm fluent in it!

Have EU citizenship?

Even with that you have about a .5% chance.

[Pragmatic Gun]

Nope. Fine, how about Big POTUS or Big Senate?

[rad lulz]

Nope. Fine, how about Big POTUS or Big Senate?

Go be a senate intern like right now for senate

[fnma2jd]

The OP is speaking the truth.

Finding a job is a terrifying and exhausting experience in itself, I think I would be on the verge of ledge jumping if I had a quarter million dollars of non dischargable financial ruin hanging over my head.

I'm 0L but am a non-trad that has been in the work force for a while, its tough out there. I have a mortgage and a family, you never know how trapped debt can make you feel until you live in it. I don't think I would be condsidering law school without significant scholarship and being able to pay my way through (applying to part time program).

[unc0mm0n1]

Banking/consulting interviews are not like biglaw where you can walk in with the right school/grades, chat for 20 minutes about college football or your summer internship, and then walk out with an offer. HYS might get you to the first round, but they bring in a ton of candidates for a limited amount of positions and screen like crazy for personality/fit/ability. I would not go to any law school as a way to increase my opportunities in those fields.

I know 4 people from HLS who are going to MBB, this doesn't include my JD/MBA friends. Not too many people want to do consulting or were lukewarm about it and did not study for the interview. Most people go to law school to be lawyers. I think you guys think getting consulting gigs are more difficult than they actually are. I'm not saying it's easy but it's clearly an option from HLS if you want it.

[emu42]

Manu, you're going to have to learn to ignore these people. TLS has had this debate countless times, and it always proceeds the same way: bitter biglawyers with loans tell everyone they're stupid for not taking the money, 0Ls respond by saying they don't want biglaw/have varied ambitions, bitter biglawyers respond by calling 0Ls unrealistic little K-JDs.

Desert Fox, Rayiner, etc. are right to a large degree; most 0Ls are unrealistic little K-JDs, and the far majority of time it's better to take the money and run. But the Desert Fox entourage tries to pidgeonhole everyone into a "biglaw or bust" mentality that is not reflective of so many people going to HYSxxx (where x is whichever school they're trashing at the moment (although it's usually HYS)). Where these bitter biglawyers fail is in not realizing that there are, in fact, a small minority of situations in which it is correct to turn down the money.

"Academia is impossible, might as well not even try" is a horribly deleterious attitude to have. It's true that an extremely small percentage of even Yale grads make it, but there is a significant degree of self selection. And if all goes wrong, they're still getting an awesome clerkship and biglaw job. If you truly want to be an academic, or get that prestigious government job, and you have the opportunity of attending a school that can get you there, I think you're less likely to regret taking the money than turning it down (once again, this applies to a small subset of people for a small subset of schools).

I've spoken to numerous of Harvard Law grads and all of them speak glowingly of their decision to attend. Everyone has different goals and a different financial situation, and there are great arguments in either direction. Money is the most important thing, but it's not the only thing, especially when the outcomes at these schools are so great. Some people love Yale's academia training program or fell in love with Palo Alto or have one professor at Harvard they really want to do research with.

So the Desert Fox argument is correct 95% of the time. If you're the 5% it doesn't apply to, don't bother picking a fight with them; they have no interest in listening to you.

[worldtraveler]

I'm in international human rights/academia and still agreeing with DF and rayiner. This isn't just a big law thing.