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[worldtraveler]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

[Blessedassurance]

Partner thing is a stupid argument. There isn't even a plausible reason why school prestige itself would make an effect other than where you started. But where you started is a pretty big factor. But after you start, I sincerely doubt it matters.

Even a V20 hiring partner chimed in to this thread to note that the school you went to has no effect on partner considerations. And myself and numerous other grads in firms have also noted that the school you went to is far far less important than the firm you came from and the work you did/reputation you built there when the time comes for lateral/exit option moves.

there is a low bar for "the firm you came from." it's something s&c people tell themselves to help them sleep at night. you don't get better exit options just because you went to a v15, as opposed to a v25.

[unc0mm0n1]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

TBF most of the crazy in this thread has been from HLS admits.

[t-14orbust]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

Hi

[worldtraveler]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

TBF most of the crazy in this thread has been from HLS admits.

An undergrad professor once told me that no one enjoys going to law school at Harvard, and I didn't understand why at the time. Starting to understand now.

[buffalo_]

Partner thing is a stupid argument. There isn't even a plausible reason why school prestige itself would make an effect other than where you started. But where you started is a pretty big factor. But after you start, I sincerely doubt it matters.

Even a V20 hiring partner chimed in to this thread to note that the school you went to has no effect on partner considerations. And myself and numerous other grads in firms have also noted that the school you went to is far far less important than the firm you came from and the work you did/reputation you built there when the time comes for lateral/exit option moves.

there is a low bar for "the firm you came from." it's something s&c people tell themselves to help them sleep at night. you don't get better exit options just because you went to a v15, as opposed to a v25.

But you do if you went to Harvard 10 years ago?

[beachbum]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

TBF most of the crazy in this thread has been from HLS admits.

[kaiser]

And to follow up on a point that blessed made yesterday: He asked that I not speak in generality, and that I note specific "prestigious" exit options so that he could do the research and show that H grads outnumber grads of other schools in such positions (in order to somehow prove that H grads will have better exit options). Yet, this doesn't at all refute my point.

For example, if I said GC of Fortune 500 companies, I wouldn't be at all surprised if H grads outnumber the rest. That is because H grads end up in the best firms in the largest numbers. And the best firms set people up for the best exit options. But where the CLS or NYU grad ends up at the same V10 or V15 firm as the H grad, those stats wouldn't in any way show that the H grad would have better exit options. The overall Fortune 500 GC stats (just saying that as hypothetical "prestigious" position) would merely reflect the fact that H grads largely end up at the best firms, which is where the Fortune 500 is largely going to draw candidates from

If you want to say that H will give you the best shot of getting in with the best firms, I'd wholeheartedly agree. And ending up at an elite firm can certainly aim your career trajectory. But it in no way shows that any other student who gets in with the same firm will have any lower of a career trajectory based on his/her school name.

[09042014]

Public Apology-----

I'm sorry for trolling regarding AA. I wasn't seriously suggesting minorities don't earn the school they get into. I thought I was just fucking with BA, but I didn't consider that other people would read my statements. That is a pretty damn stupid oversight on my part. Obviously people earned their spots in school. Anyone who actually thinks they didn't is being a bigot. I'm sorry to have perpetrated those kind of sentiments because even as a joke, they hurt people.

Sorry,

DF

[kaiser]

Partner thing is a stupid argument. There isn't even a plausible reason why school prestige itself would make an effect other than where you started. But where you started is a pretty big factor. But after you start, I sincerely doubt it matters.

Even a V20 hiring partner chimed in to this thread to note that the school you went to has no effect on partner considerations. And myself and numerous other grads in firms have also noted that the school you went to is far far less important than the firm you came from and the work you did/reputation you built there when the time comes for lateral/exit option moves.

there is a low bar for "the firm you came from." it's something s&c people tell themselves to help them sleep at night. you don't get better exit options just because you went to a v15, as opposed to a v25.

I'd largely agree. The work you do and the relationships you form is far and away most important once you are already in the overall biglaw door. The firm you came from is absolutely secondary (especially since we over-distinguish and arbitrarily stratify the Vault rankings anyway). And the degree you have is even less significant than that come lateral time. So that certainly puts it in perspective.

[jbagelboy]

Partner thing is a stupid argument. There isn't even a plausible reason why school prestige itself would make an effect other than where you started. But where you started is a pretty big factor. But after you start, I sincerely doubt it matters.

Even a V20 hiring partner chimed in to this thread to note that the school you went to has no effect on partner considerations. And myself and numerous other grads in firms have also noted that the school you went to is far far less important than the firm you came from and the work you did/reputation you built there when the time comes for lateral/exit option moves.

there is a low bar for "the firm you came from." it's something s&c people tell themselves to help them sleep at night. you don't get better exit options just because you went to a v15, as opposed to a v25.

I'd largely agree. The work you do and the relationships you form is far and away most important once you are already in the overall biglaw door. The firm you came from is absolutely secondary. And the degree you have is even less significant than that. So that certainly puts it in perspective.

there are some people with far more knowledge than I who post on this site and would contest that there's a substantial difference in exit opts for transactional side specifically b/t firms like cleary, cravath, dpw and firms a little farther down in vault. but I can't site anything for that specifically, I can only hope those individuals jump in...

[Blessedassurance]

the amusing thing is that most of the complaints against me concerns an inconsequential discussion/argument i'm having with rayiner (with jbagel chiming in).

people are taking the time and energy to be pissed over a discussion they could simply ignore. it's lulzy.

the point of the thread is uncontroversial, the discussion has taken twists and turns precisely because the main point of the thread is uncontroversial. yet, everybody is mad for some reason.

it's lulzy because deep down, your average law student deeply cares about prestige.

how many law students in the history of things, have chosen chicago over hys at equal cost?

[EquallyWrong]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

TBF most of the crazy in this thread has been from HLS admits.

this is just what happens when you give nice things to deeply insecure individuals...

[Princetonlaw68]

Have we had any nice, normal Harvard people in this thread yet?

TBF most of the crazy in this thread has been from HLS admits.

this is just what happens when you give nice things to deeply insecure individuals...

Is there any chance TLS will ever install a like button?

[09042014]

Oh, it's incredibly easy to do terrible in school when you don't give a fuck. The worst semester of school of my life was when I took a few classes at a community college. Also, DF was an engineering major which makes it even easier to do poorly.

yes, things happen but 2.7-2.9 is a bit low. more importantly, it is baffling, that a man possessing such stats can muster the audacity to go around questioning other people's intellect.

he used to brag about his biglaw paycheck (back when he was a summer) in inconsequential arguments with 0L's etc. he's an uncouth individual of ill-repute and has generally been a dick since he's been on tls. there used to be an equally-obnoxious fellow called shoe-shine, i wonder what his moniker is. dude couldn't construct a sentence without telling you about his 1L SA job. this place attracts quite colorful characters.
desert fox basically embodies all that is wrong with the legal profession and the people it attracts.

Come on man, you called us proles for going to Northwestern, a school you probably couldn't even get into if you checked a different box.

You are so awful you can't even see it. It's hilarious.

C'mon DF you're better than that. I know many minorities here who probably could have gotten into Northwestern if they checked White.

And they definitely would have earned it.

The only reason they let splitters like me into Northwestern is because of a stupid magazine ranking. BA is right about that we are the ones who didn't earn it. Sorry about trolling.

[Blessedassurance]

there are some people with far more knowledge than I who post on this site and would contest that there's a substantial difference in exit opts for transactional side specifically b/t firms like cleary, cravath, dpw and firms a little farther down in vault. but I can't site anything for that specifically, I can only hope those individuals jump in...

i wouldn't argue with cravath, but it is certainly not true for cleary.

to the extent that differences exist, i suspect it has more to do with institutional clients, one's practice group, the reputation of that practice group etc., but someone is welcome to prove me wrong.

[patogordo]

man BA reminds me a lot of Magnificent. whatever happened to that guy?

[buffalo_]

the amusing thing is that most of the complaints against me concerns an inconsequential discussion/argument i'm having with rayiner (with jbagel chiming in).

people are taking the time and energy to be pissed over a discussion they could simply ignore. it's lulzy.

the point of the thread is uncontroversial, the discussion has taken twists and turns precisely because the main point of the thread is uncontroversial. yet, everybody is mad for some reason.

it's lulzy because deep down, your average law student deeply cares about prestige.

how many law students in the history of things, have chosen chicago over hys at equal cost?

This is irrelevant.

The ad hominem attacks on you are not because people just want to get on your case. They are being made because you have failed to present any credible evidence and you seemingly change your position conveniently after you have been refuted.

As a result, you do not appear to be making an argument because you are compelled by facts or evidence, but instead your motive seems entirely self-serving. To justify why you are better than CCN on down, because Harvard is better than CCN on down. Your credibility has deteriorated to the point that even if every V100 partner, SCOTUS Justice, F500 GC and CEO, and every living POTUS corroborated your sentiment, you would still seem incredible.

[Humbert Humbert]

there are some people with far more knowledge than I who post on this site and would contest that there's a substantial difference in exit opts for transactional side specifically b/t firms like cleary, cravath, dpw and firms a little farther down in vault. but I can't site anything for that specifically, I can only hope those individuals jump in...

i wouldn't argue with cravath, but it is certainly not true for cleary.

to the extent that differences exist, i suspect it has more to do with institutional clients, one's practice group, the reputation of that practice group etc., but someone is welcome to prove me wrong.

Thanks, we appreciate your certainty. It's great having someone like you with first-hand experience on the lateral/in-house hiring dynamics at the top firms who can chime in. Which firm/bank are you at?

[Blessedassurance]

there are some people with far more knowledge than I who post on this site and would contest that there's a substantial difference in exit opts for transactional side specifically b/t firms like cleary, cravath, dpw and firms a little farther down in vault. but I can't site anything for that specifically, I can only hope those individuals jump in...

i wouldn't argue with cravath, but it is certainly not true for cleary.

to the extent that differences exist, i suspect it has more to do with institutional clients, one's practice group, the reputation of that practice group etc., but someone is welcome to prove me wrong.

Thanks, we appreciate your certainty. It's great having someone like you with first-hand experience on the lateral/in-house hiring dynamics at the top firms who can chime in. Which firm/bank are you at?

by that logic, nobody outside hls should be commenting on exactly the things they are commenting on in this thread concerning hls.

[patogordo]

except most people itt have had plenty of interactions with hls grads since hundreds of them are unleashed on the world every year like a plague of locusts

[rayiner]

The only reason they let splitters like me into Northwestern is because of a stupid magazine ranking. BA is right about that we are the ones who didn't earn it. Sorry about trolling.

Law schools and their Prestige Industrial Complex is just a way of getting around the fact that you can't just hire based on standardized tests like companies did in the 1960's. /splitterpride

[Humbert Humbert]

there are some people with far more knowledge than I who post on this site and would contest that there's a substantial difference in exit opts for transactional side specifically b/t firms like cleary, cravath, dpw and firms a little farther down in vault. but I can't site anything for that specifically, I can only hope those individuals jump in...

i wouldn't argue with cravath, but it is certainly not true for cleary.

to the extent that differences exist, i suspect it has more to do with institutional clients, one's practice group, the reputation of that practice group etc., but someone is welcome to prove me wrong.

Thanks, we appreciate your certainty. It's great having someone like you with first-hand experience on the lateral/in-house hiring dynamics at the top firms who can chime in. Which firm/bank are you at?

by that logic, nobody outside hls should be commenting on exactly the things they are commenting on in this thread concerning hls.

No, its not really like that at all, since we have empirical data re: where HLS (and CCN) grads end up. Cleary--> JPM/GS/MS data doesn't exist.

So, again: which firm/bank are you at?

[Blessedassurance]

No, its not really like that at all, since we have empirical data re: where HLS (and CCN) grads end up. Cleary--> JPM/GS/MS data doesn't exist.

you can find a sizeable part of the latter data on linkedin.

also, you have empirical data on where some hls students start at. let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Princetonlaw68]

Guys guys guys...In the movie "Legally Blonde," do you not recall where L. Woods went to law school? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Chicago, and it wasn't CLS...

Case and point.