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[exitoptions]

by the way, the whole numbers would have to be considered against the backdrop of the numbers that have been pumped into biglaw from the respective schools. there's no use calculating based on the entire class since there was a time (during the boom times) when students of the elite schools were eschewing biglaw. chicago students have nowhere to go but biglaw. chicago is impressive (to the extent biglaw is impressive), compared to columbia etc.

Jesus you are insufferable. As someone who works with plenty of people from all these schools, I can assure you, the differences are not as great as you think they are.

[Blessedassurance]

During boom times, the NLJ 250 placement at HLS was higher, not lower. In C/O 2007, 61.1% of HLS grads went to NLJ 250 firms. For C/O 2013, it was 53.6%. (Compare: http://www.law.com/img/nlj/charts/20080 ... chools.jpg with http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... chool.html). It was down to 48.9% in C/O 2011: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/bl ... statistics. The data suggests that when the economy is good, more HLS grads go into big law than when it's bad.

from the stats you provided, in 2007, chicago sent over 10% more than harvard straight into biglaw (the gap is even bigger w/r/t stanford and gigantic w/r/t yale). for 2013, per your link, chicago put 53.02% into the nlj 250 (an over 20% decline). in contrast, harvard sent 53.55% (slightly, more than chicago but, more importantly, a mere 7.55% decline).


by the way, as a separate matter, the class of 2007 are in year 7 and their influence on partnerships are minimal at best. considering the partnership figures are from 1986 graduates and later, i don't see the significance of your snapshot. do you have data showing biglaw numbers between 1986 and 2007 (or now)?

without even looking at the data, i am certain pre-ite (and for 1986-2007, for our purposes), chicago consistently put more people (%), straight into biglaw. this does not even account for where chicago's federal clerks end up, but let's not complicate things.

[Blessedassurance]

Jesus you are insufferable. As someone who works with plenty of people from all these schools, I can assure you, the differences are not as great as you think they are.

what is the purpose of your statement? you worked in biglaw and did a clerkship. what differences were you expecting to see between students from hls and students from chicago doing biglaw, and who has claimed there is some monumental difference?

[09042014]

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[Blessedassurance]

i did?

[09042014]

i did?

Ok I don't know that I'll edit

[Blessedassurance]

i did?

Ok I don't know that I'll edit

didn't you graduate undergrad with a 2.7? or was it a 2.9? you are a literal retard. i'm sure you can find opportunities to go on your usual racist rants but i'm the wrong example. good try though.

[09042014]

i did?

Ok I don't know that I'll edit

didn't you graduate under with a 2.7? or was it a 2.9? you are a literal retard. i'm sure you can find opportunities to go on your usual racist rants but i'm the wrong example. good try though.

What was your LSAT? I bet mine was a full 10 points higher.

[Blessedassurance]

What was your LSAT? I bet mine was a full 10 points higher.

you'd have to have scored over 180. do you know how stupid you have to be not to crack 3.0?

[Princetonlaw68]

DF enjoys confrontation

[A. Nony Mouse]

This pissing contest is just riveting.

[jbagelboy]

I take issue with the gsb study for a number of reasons. First, because it's a blatant projection of the commercial US News survey rankings, which inform the "firm" rankings (avg of school rank starting associates) and hence through a Beckettian feedback loop reclassify the schools. The inputs and outputs are the same garbage.

I also agree, methodological failings aside, it inflates Chicago (and maybe Yale) for partnerships relative to schools like Harvard with larger class sizes. There's a sample size issue here. Chicago has been pumping out corporate firm attorneys at an impressive rate, yes, and maybe a few more Chicago associates are staying on as partner than the east coast ivies heading to gov't service or finance, but the disproportionate impact of a small cadre of partners for a school of 1/3 of Harvard's (and 1/2 Columbia's for that matter) class size is not insignificant.

I know this argument is convoluted from a % basis but it's a little like comparing H to S in clerkships.. Harvard isn't really twice as shitty as Stanford at getting CoA clerkships, it's just difficult to measure such divergent sample sizes and your p values will be shitty

The Stanford issue is a clear east coast (NY/DC) bias in the rankings, since again, they're derived from US News and Vault. If you took a top CA-based firms orientation it would be a totally different list.

[ZGr88n]

This thread...

[bombaysippin]

Oh man I didn't think it could get any better

[Blessedassurance]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

[Holly Golightly]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

Oh, it's incredibly easy to do terrible in school when you don't give a fuck. The worst semester of school of my life was when I took a few classes at a community college. Also, DF was an engineering major which makes it even easier to do poorly.

[A. Nony Mouse]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

Don't be an ass.

[buffalo_]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

What's a Harvard? I don't think I ever heard of one. Can you get it at Walmart? Is it some magical place where people sit on an ivory tower of grade inflation and make fun of the developmentally disabled? Where can I sign up to buy one, sounds lovely.

[rayiner]

from the stats you provided, in 2007, chicago sent over 10% more than harvard straight into biglaw (the gap is even bigger w/r/t stanford and gigantic w/r/t yale). for 2013, per your link, chicago put 53.02% into the nlj 250 (an over 20% decline). in contrast, harvard sent 53.55% (slightly, more than chicago but, more importantly, a mere 7.55% decline).

You keep changing your argument. You said, during the boom years people from elite schools opted out of big law. The relevance of the 2007 number is that it's the last major boom year, and it shows that HLS grads opted into big law during the boom, relative to learner times, not out of it.

[lawschool2014hopeful]

I dont know if this is relevant to the argument now or not, since it was few pages back.

Harvard use to enrol 1000 students per year pre-Elena Kagan, which wasnt too far/long ago (2003).

[Blessedassurance]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

Oh, it's incredibly easy to do terrible in school when you don't give a fuck. The worst semester of school of my life was when I took a few classes at a community college. Also, DF was an engineering major which makes it even easier to do poorly.

yes, things happen but 2.7-2.9 is a bit low. more importantly, it is baffling, that a man possessing such stats can muster the audacity to go around questioning other people's intellect.

he used to brag about his biglaw paycheck (back when he was a summer) in inconsequential arguments with 0L's etc. he's an uncouth individual of ill-repute and has generally been a dick since he's been on tls. there used to be an equally-obnoxious fellow called shoe-shine, i wonder what his moniker is. dude couldn't construct a sentence without telling you about his 1L SA job. this place attracts quite colorful characters.

desert fox basically embodies all that is wrong with the legal profession and the people it attracts.

[buffalo_]

i'm serious though. how do you graduate with a 2.7-2.9? i'm not trying to insult you but do you have a documented learning disability?

Oh, it's incredibly easy to do terrible in school when you don't give a fuck. The worst semester of school of my life was when I took a few classes at a community college. Also, DF was an engineering major which makes it even easier to do poorly.

yes, things happen but 2.7-2.9 is a bit low. more importantly, it is baffling, that a man possessing such stats can muster the audacity to go around questioning other people's intellect.

he used to brag about his biglaw paycheck (back when he was a summer) in inconsequential arguments with 0L's etc. he's an uncouth individual of ill-repute and has generally been a dick since he's been on tls. there used to be an equally-obnoxious fellow called shoe-shine, i wonder what his moniker is. dude couldn't construct a sentence without telling you about his 1L SA job. this place attracts quite colorful characters.

desert fox basically embodies all that is wrong with the legal profession and the people it attracts.

Okay, time to stop feeding the troll.

[Holly Golightly]

yes, things happen but 2.7-2.9 is a bit low. more importantly, it is baffling, that a man possessing such stats can muster the audacity to go around questioning other people's intellect.

he used to brag about his biglaw paycheck (back when he was a summer) in inconsequential arguments with 0L's etc. he's an uncouth individual of ill-repute and has generally been a dick since he's been on tls. there used to be an equally-obnoxious fellow called shoe-shine, i wonder what his moniker is. dude couldn't construct a sentence without telling you about his 1L SA job. this place attracts quite colorful characters.

desert fox basically embodies all that is wrong with the legal profession and the people it attracts.

lol @ someone displaying the reasoning ability you have displayed in this thread questioning someone else's intellect.

[Blessedassurance]

from the stats you provided, in 2007, chicago sent over 10% more than harvard straight into biglaw (the gap is even bigger w/r/t stanford and gigantic w/r/t yale). for 2013, per your link, chicago put 53.02% into the nlj 250 (an over 20% decline). in contrast, harvard sent 53.55% (slightly, more than chicago but, more importantly, a mere 7.55% decline).

You keep changing your argument. You said, during the boom years people from elite schools opted out of big law. The relevance of the 2007 number is that it's the last major boom year, and it shows that HLS grads opted into big law during the boom, relative to learner times, not out of it.

i'm not changing anything. you left out the relativity to chicago. by the way, do you have data for the period 1986-2007 or beyond, or any years in between?

[beachbum]

he's an uncouth individual of ill-repute

lol what a nerd.