2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official) Forum

[stratocophic]

LOL, "trending":

"Percent employed in all judicial clerkships"

Notre Dame: 15.1%
Boston College: 8.2%
Indiana: 7.5%
Illinois: 6.7%
WUSTL: 4.0%

"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Notre Dame: 7.6%
Indiana: 4.7%
Boston College: 4.3%
Illinois: 4.2%
WUSTL: 3.0%

WUSTL has more a larger student body than all 4 of the other schools, and there are a finite number of fed and Art III clerkships to go around. You do the math.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why, praytell, would judges hire more WUSTLers just because HORDES of unemployed WUSTL grads descend upon them? I don't think more WUSTLers are going to get more (numerically, not percentage-wise) clerkships from grads of other schools just because WUSTL has 5 or 6 more people in the top 10%. WUSTL used to be much smaller - the number of grads isn't proportional to the number of alumni out there. I'm not trolling for the school, I'm just telling you that I don't think that it's solely because of the TTT effect.

Notre Dame: 0.076*564/3 = 14
IUB: 0.047*646/3 = 10
BC: 0.043*796/3 = 11
UIUC: 0.042*640/3 = 9
WUSTL: 0.030*893/3 = 9

I'm just saying, the numbers are very similar for the Chicago area schools (aside from ND, which is living up to its rep as placing well in clerkships w/ the network). There are only so many clerkship positions to go around. Do you really think that judges would be inclined to take 1.5 times as many WUSTL grads as Illinois grads? What about when you consider the fact that many of the judges those graduates directly compete for are likely UIUC or ND grads? And you're attributing that to the fact that there are a few more WUSTL grads with better grades, which is due solely to an increased class size? C'mon.

[OperaSoprano]

Happy to join in the fun, if a bit late. I've been at dinner with my mom and grandma.

I, who hate and despise the rankings uniquely, am still pleased to be back attending a T30. Never prouder or happier for Fordham. (We did cut the PT program, but added an afternoon section, and I am happy to note the school stayed pretty damn committed to admitting interesting people even with more modest numbers.)

[1234543523]

*le derp

[1234543523]

Happy to join in the fun, if a bit late. I've been at dinner with my mom and grandma.

I, who hate and despise the rankings uniquely, am still pleased to be back attending a T30. Never prouder or happier for Fordham. (We did cut the PT program, but added an afternoon section, and I am happy to note the school stayed pretty damn committed to admitting interesting people even with more modest numbers.)

Does not compute.

[SmittenMitten]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

[doinmybest]

Lots of change in the T13 this year. Too bad none of it will affect jobs.

[Bildungsroman]

This has not been a good two days for CU. Good, fuck em.

[Sentry]

WTF is going on at Mizzou? T60 two years ago and now is a TTT.

[Borhas]

Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

dude I knew they were doing that shit. last year they claimed 98% at graduation when that was really their 9 month rate. first, what are the odds that a mediocre school like Davis can place THAT well (~20% better than their 2003-2007 placement rates) in this bad economy? second, what are odds that the exact same set of students that are employed at graduation are the same set that is employed 9 mos. out?

shenanigans

It's good enough for USNews, but TLS poster General Tso has a hunch. The same hunch he gets every year when his school gets beat in a relatively meaningless ranking game. I guess this closes the book on that mystery.

do you actually think 96% of UCD grads had some sort of legal job secured at graduation?

The pissing match between UCD and UCH may not mean shit, but these law schools are BSing students so that they can keep charging astronomic tuition to ignorant 0L's. 50k/yr tuition for 96% chance of jobs w/ median salary of $152k? SIGN ME UP. This retardation is not limited to UCD of course, they're just one of the more blatant examples.

But yeah, let's hear it for more law school disinformation. Hip hip hooray?

[thebookcollector]

WTF is going on at Mizzou? T60 two years ago and now is a TTT.

That's what I want to know. They're now behind SLU as the third best law school in the state. And they're barely ahead of UMKC.

[Danteshek]

Glad Pepperdine isn't higher than Loyola anymore. That was annoying.

[Danteshek]

WTF is going on at Mizzou? T60 two years ago and now is a TTT.

That's what I want to know. They're now behind SLU as the third best law school in the state. And they're barely ahead of UMKC.

Mizzou has bad karma

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/h ... 37_ZS.html

[rman1201]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

I double checked the numbers and yes, Duke is reporting a drop in employment.

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[beachbum]

WTF is going on at Mizzou? T60 two years ago and now is a TTT.

That's what I want to know. They're now behind SLU as the third best law school in the state. And they're barely ahead of UMKC.

+1, very strange. I know the UM system is undergoing some major budget problems, but that's a pretty massive drop in a short period of time. And speaking of Missouri schools, I'm also kinda disappointed that SLU didn't rise at all.

[fatduck]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

I double checked the numbers and yes, Duke is reporting a drop in employment.

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biglaw burnout

[TheFactor]

Just read 20+ pages of BULLSHIT ITT black-out drunk (such is the life of a slacking senior).

In before, "Cool story, bro." Save it.

[1ferret!]

Glad Pepperdine isn't higher than Loyola anymore. That was annoying.

Yes, being tied for....our employment numbers suck ass....is wonderful.

[glitched]

wait... so this means nyu is still a good school right?

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

I double checked the numbers and yes, Duke is reporting a drop in employment.

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Considering one data point is like may 2008, and one is around February 2009, that shouldn't really surprise anyone.

[rayiner]

Shit, I gotta start my DUKE transfer app.

NU has dropped from 9 when I was applying to 10 when I got in to 11 when I finished 1L to 12 as I'm finishing 2L.

Festering TTT in decline? Or will Cornell break our fall?

[rman1201]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

I double checked the numbers and yes, Duke is reporting a drop in employment.

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Considering one data point is like may 2008, and one is around February 2009, that shouldn't really surprise anyone.

This is for class of 09.
(so May 2009 and Feb 2010)

[FuManChusco]

Shit, I gotta start my DUKE transfer app.

NU has dropped from 9 when I was applying to 10 when I got in to 11 when I finished 1L to 12 as I'm finishing 2L.

Festering TTT in decline? Or will Cornell break our fall?

If Cornell does't break your fall, one of those two schools ranked 14 probably will. What were they again? I think one of them started with an R.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Duke reporting a drop in employment after 9 months?

I double checked the numbers and yes, Duke is reporting a drop in employment.

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Considering one data point is like may 2008, and one is around February 2009, that shouldn't really surprise anyone.

This is for class of 09.
(so May 2009 and Feb 2010)

No.


No it isn't.

[FiveSermon]

NU won't fall below Cornell. Duke might eventually but NU is solid imo.

[beachbum]

NU won't fall below Cornell. Duke might eventually but NU is solid imo.

Weak. Sauce.