Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[Blessedassurance]

also, your general comment on dilution of equity is technically not correct. it obviously depends on what was bargained for in the term sheet etc.

[dresden doll]

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.

Why shouldn't NYU be part of the discussion?

[IAFG]

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.

Why shouldn't NYU be part of the discussion?

Everyone knows NYU->Cleary alums have the worst outcomes.

[09042014]

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.

Why shouldn't NYU be part of the discussion?

Everyone knows NYU->Cleary alums have the worst outcomes.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=228688

As I've proven, NYU lacks 80% prestige. Unnacceptable levels of prestige.

[dresden doll]

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.

Why shouldn't NYU be part of the discussion?

Everyone knows NYU->Cleary alums have the worst outcomes.

[rayiner]

first, it's way harder to get into hbs/gsb than hys.

No shit, because you actually have to have done something to get into HBS/GSB instead of just doing well in basket weaving in undergrad and scoring 173+ on the LSAT. Do you really want to couch your argument in terms of: "well if you're an unimpressive person who has an interest in business, and can't get into a T20 MBA program, you should go to HLS?" Because if you're interested in business, there's a lot more schools than HBS/GSB that'll give you better prospects for business/entrepreneurship than HLS.

third, an mba is its own flame outside a few schools.

Not any bigger of a flame than lawyers trying to break into the business side.

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary?

The same place HLS graduates are going: in-house, smaller firms, etc.

[rayiner]

also, your general comment on dilution of equity is technically not correct. it obviously depends on what was bargained for in the term sheet etc.

If you're not a co-founder or early technical employee, you have zero leverage when it comes to negotiating those terms. You will get a tiny slice that will get diluted as the company takes on more rounds of funding.

[worldtraveler]

Can someone explain what blessedassurance is trying to accomplish in this thread?

[bk1]

Can someone explain what blessedassurance is trying to accomplish in this thread?

Either defend or besmirch the honor of his lady HLS. I'm not actually sure which.

[Blessedassurance]

No shit, because you actually have to have done something to get into HBS/GSB instead of just doing well in basket weaving in undergrad and scoring 173+ on the LSAT. Do you really want to couch your argument in terms of: "well if you're an unimpressive person who has an interest in business, and can't get into a T20 MBA program, you should go to HLS?" Because if you're interested in business, there's a lot more schools than HBS/GSB that'll give you better prospects for business/entrepreneurship than HLS

lol at "t20 mba," like that's a thing. forget hls, you're better off going to HKS than darden. most people go to hls with the intention of practicing law so you're comparing apples and oranges. but if you want to be an investment banker at william blair & company-esque generic firm, you have a better shot coming from hls (or HKS) than darden or fuqua.

Not any bigger of a flame than lawyers trying to break into the business side.

put aside pure lawyers for a minute, do you really think the JD/MBA's from northwestern have comparable options to JD/MBA's at harvard or stanford?

secondly, i don't have the numbers off-hand but mckinsey alone hired at least 8 from hls last year, that i know of. others summered at all kinds of other places (goldman sachs, facebook etc). i'm not sure i'm supposed to be giving out this information but people do all kinds of "unicorn-y" shit. why do you find that strange?

The same place HLS graduates are going: in-house, smaller firms, etc.

do you have a link for this assertion?

[Blessedassurance]

Can someone explain what blessedassurance is trying to accomplish in this thread?

i'm having a conversation with rayiner on narrow issues. the thread's overarching point is in the title.

[emu42]

i've gotta say this thread has made me happier i've chosen harvard, which is actually the opposite effect it's supposed to have had. luv u all. hls4lyfe

p.s. a couple of people pm'd me supporting me. i'd like to take this moment to thank ALL of my fans, whether they reach out to me via forum post, via pm, or if they have yet to reach out to me. much love

[patogordo]

you sure got us good

[didntgo89072014]

Blessed assurance, you need to spend some time outside the Harvard bubble. There's nothing in the water at HLS but damned if you're not gonna try to convince others there is. From what I've noticed, the most successful and well-liked people basically never talk about where they went to school. Bragging about where you went to school is akin to an admission that you don't have much to brag about that you've actually done.

[emu42]

you sure got us good

emu42 stays true thru and thru...i've been right here the whole time

Blessed assurance, you need to spend some time outside the Harvard bubble. There's nothing in the water at HLS but damned if you're not gonna try to convince others there is. From what I've noticed, the most successful and well-liked people basically never talk about where they went to school. Bragging about where you went to school is akin to an admission that you don't have much to brag about that you've actually done.

how come every time someone says something good about harvard someone equates it to bragging about where (s)he went to school?

[kaiser]

Also, at the end of the day, pointing out a handful of people who go from HLS to business utterly misses the point. HLS may well be the tallest midget in the field when it comes to getting into business with a JD. But if you want to go into business, it's the height of stupidity to get a JD instead of an MBA or PhD. Having a legitimate interest in business doesn't justify paying sticker at HLS for slightly better prospects in that area. It's reason to reevaluate whether law school is a good idea in the first place.

first, it's way harder to get into hbs/gsb than hys. second, paying sticker is more of a problem at ccn (and downward) than at y and s. third, an mba is its own flame outside a few schools. you need neither an mba nor a law degree for start-ups/entrepreneurship. a whole bunch of people go the fly-by-night start-up--> hbs/gsb (or some other m7) route actually.

As for starting in big law, your argument is totally unhinged. You criticize CCN for how much they place in big law/clerkships, at graduation, then punt on the fact that HLS puts just as much in big law/clerkships, at graduation, by handwaving that those folks are just doing a stint in big law before bigger and better things. You're asserting that HLS -> Cleary should be treated as a different outcome than CLS -> Cleary, but with absolutely no evidence to back that up.

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.

Nonsense to think that the CLS grad who ends up at Cleary will have a different trajectory from the HLS grad who ends up at Cleary. As far as exit options go, the primarily driver will be the work experience at the firm. School name will be well far behind at that point (to the point where it is just a small factor in the equation). Honestly, your point sounds like something a current student/0L would say. I take it you aren't a grad yet?

Think of it sort of like how much your undergraduate school weighs into a law firm's decision to hire you. Rather than look to your undergrad, they look FAR more to your actual law school and your performance there. Apply that same logic to lateral moves/down-the-road exit options. Sure, they may care to some limited extent where you went to school, but they will be looking almost entirely at your body of work, and using your previous firm name as the leading credential that carries you.

[didntgo89072014]

you sure got us good

emu42 stays true thru and thru...i've been right here the whole time

Blessed assurance, you need to spend some time outside the Harvard bubble. There's nothing in the water at HLS but damned if you're not gonna try to convince others there is. From what I've noticed, the most successful and well-liked people basically never talk about where they went to school. Bragging about where you went to school is akin to an admission that you don't have much to brag about that you've actually done.

how come every time someone says something good about harvard someone equates it to bragging about where (s)he went to school?

Because Harvard is full of douchebags

[emu42]

you sure got us good

emu42 stays true thru and thru...i've been right here the whole time

Blessed assurance, you need to spend some time outside the Harvard bubble. There's nothing in the water at HLS but damned if you're not gonna try to convince others there is. From what I've noticed, the most successful and well-liked people basically never talk about where they went to school. Bragging about where you went to school is akin to an admission that you don't have much to brag about that you've actually done.

how come every time someone says something good about harvard someone equates it to bragging about where (s)he went to school?

Because Harvard is full of douchebags

haha almost everyone i met at ASW was super nice and down-to-earth. you sound angry

[didntgo89072014]

asw is very representative of the grad school experience

Lol

[emu42]

asw is very representative of the grad school experience

Lol

were the 50 current students i spoke with also not representative of the grad school experience?

[Blessedassurance]

Blessed assurance, you need to spend some time outside the Harvard bubble. There's nothing in the water at HLS but damned if you're not gonna try to convince others there is. From what I've noticed, the most successful and well-liked people basically never talk about where they went to school. Bragging about where you went to school is akin to an admission that you don't have much to brag about that you've actually done.

why would you think i brag about where i went to school? perhaps, you shouldn't assume things about people you don't know or haven't met?

[cotiger]

Can we just lock this thread down now for good?

[Princetonlaw68]

How come every time there's a good thread people wanna shut it down?

[Blessedassurance]

how come every time someone says something good about harvard someone equates it to bragging about where (s)he went to school?

it's laughable, really. my favorite part is when they make comments about how they wouldn't want to grab a beer with you because you said something online. once you actually meet law students, the joke will make sense to you.

[didntgo89072014]

how come every time someone says something good about harvard someone equates it to bragging about where (s)he went to school?

it's laughable, really. my favorite part is when they make comments about how they wouldn't want to grab a beer with you because you said something online. once you actually meet law students, the joke will make sense to you.

I live in boston pm me and we will grab a beer so you can explain why Harvard Kennedy school is better than darden for investment banking