Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[KatyMarie]

Emu, I think you still, after all this time, might be missing the point of this thread. You're going to H with 100k in loans, which is great for you and no one begrudges it. What people are arguing against (and what you're implicitly arguing for) is that it's also a good idea to go to H with 300k in loans when there are much cheaper, relatively similar options available.

wait is emu really rich or really poor?

I think you max out need based loans from HLS around a 170k COA (If I recall correctly from another thread).

[jbagelboy]

Again you're nearly as pitiable as you are desultory. So now I almost feel bad :/

The point is, you've never had a job interview. You've interviewed to intern for 2 months somewhere as a college student, where you're far more of a burden to the entity than an asset, and clearly there was no implication of rehire (or you would have gone on to take the job). There's a huge difference between an interview for full time work (or summer work with high offer rates for full time employment) and some college internship. We're all adults on here who have done both and can appreciate the difference. It's the first thing my future consulting managing partner told me after my case interviewing as a senior: this isn't some internship, it's a job.

the point is that i'm not socially retarded, as you implied in the post i was responding to. obviously summer internships are not actual jobs

You haven't met a very stringent evidentiary burden on that point based on your contributions to this board, but again, here's to hoping you show better in person.

[anyriotgirl]

Emu, I think you still, after all this time, might be missing the point of this thread. You're going to H with 100k in loans, which is great for you and no one begrudges it. What people are arguing against (and what you're implicitly arguing for) is that it's also a good idea to go to H with 300k in loans when there are much cheaper, relatively similar options available.

wait is emu really rich or really poor?

I think you max out need based loans from HLS around a 170k COA (If I recall correctly from another thread).

that is what I think too. how is she at $100k in loans?

[t-14orbust]

Emu, I think you still, after all this time, might be missing the point of this thread. You're going to H with 100k in loans, which is great for you and no one begrudges it. What people are arguing against (and what you're implicitly arguing for) is that it's also a good idea to go to H with 300k in loans when there are much cheaper, relatively similar options available.

wait is emu really rich or really poor?

I think you max out need based loans from HLS around a 170k COA (If I recall correctly from another thread).

Something like that. Max aid is 34-35K/year

[Blessedassurance]

I don't know how you can argue its not harder to raise capital in non-tech circles given the state of the financial markets.

yes, it's harder than raising capital in tech circles but it's precisely why being in an environment such as hls (by the way you get to cross-register at hbs, kennedy school etc) will help w/r/t to networking, connections etc. a sizeable majority of people who go to hls will go the legal route. the point however, is that the unicorny outcomes are not as insignificant as portrayed by the tls non-hys crowd (including, but not limited to entrepreneurship/business etc).

people start in biglaw because it's way easier to get hired, you get money in summer, they hire before 2L, and you get to knock out at some of the debt for at least a year if nothing pops up in the meantime.

[emu42]

my family is chipping in

[Blessedassurance]

You haven't met a very stringent evidentiary burden on that point based on your contributions to this board, but again, here's to hoping you show better in person.

(prancing scholar)

[emu42]

Again you're nearly as pitiable as you are desultory. So now I almost feel bad :/

The point is, you've never had a job interview. You've interviewed to intern for 2 months somewhere as a college student, where you're far more of a burden to the entity than an asset, and clearly there was no implication of rehire (or you would have gone on to take the job). There's a huge difference between an interview for full time work (or summer work with high offer rates for full time employment) and some college internship. We're all adults on here who have done both and can appreciate the difference. It's the first thing my future consulting managing partner told me after my case interviewing as a senior: this isn't some internship, it's a job.

the point is that i'm not socially retarded, as you implied in the post i was responding to. obviously summer internships are not actual jobs

You haven't met a very stringent evidentiary burden on that point based on your contributions to this board, but again, here's to hoping you show better in person.

a few of things:
a) when i started posting on this thread it was friday night and i was drunk
b) if someone argues with me in a normal setting i tend to politely reason with them
c) if someone trashes me on an internet forum i tend to respond in kind, because, you know, it's the internet

[Blessedassurance]

mr. bagel, why don't you tell us where you go to school? please tell me it's been chicago all along, and not columbia.

[Theopliske8711]

Subject: Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH?

Aren't you a K-JD? So you've never had a real interview?

no, but i've had difficult-to-get summer jobs

I hope for your sake that you don't get outed at HLS.

you've consistently taken my posts out of context and then made some pitiful attempt at wit. are you trying to impress the other posters? it's unclear

So, consensus: have I taken emu's posts out of context?

[emu42]

So, consensus: have I taken emu's posts out of context?

do you think people are going to go through your posts and check for themselves? or do you think they're going to agree with regardless, since you have 10,000 posts and this argument has turned into 20 people versus emu and other guy who goes to hls?

[Cal Trask]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

[patogordo]

tbf emu isn't even close to the worst person in this thread any more

[emu42]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

i'm not being oppressed

[Cal Trask]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

i'm not being oppressed

then stop playing the victim by trying to point out that there are 20 people going against what you say. hth

[exitoptions]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

i'm not being oppressed

You can't keep a guy down who's landed scores of prestigious summer gigs.

[emu42]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

i'm not being oppressed

then stop playing the victim by trying to point out that there are 20 people going against what you say. hth

there are, though. it's a pretty solid 10:1 ratio, and it's pretty predictable how people are going to respond to that guy's post that asked whether he was justified in his responses to my posts. i never claimed to be a victim

[neprep]

So, consensus: have I taken emu's posts out of context?

do you think people are going to go through your posts and check for themselves? or do you think they're going to agree with regardless, since you have 10,000 posts and this argument has turned into 20 people versus emu and other guy who goes to hls?

Is this why you came back to this thread after posting your resignation? Because you finally had some support? But also I'm not so sure what your teammate's opinion of you really is.

So you're the one guy out of 10 in this thread who got into YHS. The fact is that no one in this thread chose YHS over $$$ and regrets it. There are a few of those people out there. There are also a few people who went to NW and wished they'd gone to Harvard the whole time. People argue in favor of the choice they made.

i go to hls actually. calm down.

[koalacity]

I think locking or lounging is in order.

[emu42]

stop oppressing emu, you guys.

i'm not being oppressed

You can't keep a guy down who's landed scores of prestigious summer gigs.

>guy tells me i'm socially retarded, will do horribly in interviews
>i reply i've done well in all the interviews i've had (as evidenced by me getting into good schools and good internships)
>people ignore rest of quotes, cite the internship part, bash me incessantly

pretty much encapsulates how this thread has gone

[emu42]

So, consensus: have I taken emu's posts out of context?

do you think people are going to go through your posts and check for themselves? or do you think they're going to agree with regardless, since you have 10,000 posts and this argument has turned into 20 people versus emu and other guy who goes to hls?

Is this why you came back to this thread after posting your resignation? Because you finally had some support? But also I'm not so sure what your teammate's opinion of you really is.

So you're the one guy out of 10 in this thread who got into YHS. The fact is that no one in this thread chose YHS over $$$ and regrets it. There are a few of those people out there. There are also a few people who went to NW and wished they'd gone to Harvard the whole time. People argue in favor of the choice they made.

i go to hls actually. calm down.

no, lol. i decided to stop taking it seriously and have fun with it

[bk1]

Now that everyone has had a chance to calm down, I've unlocked the thread. 3 points though:

1. This is not the lounge. Just because something is kosher in the lounge doesn't mean it's kosher here. Normal on-topic forum rules apply.

2. No trolling. At all.

3. Any violations of the above 2 will result in bans.

[rayiner]

I don't know how you can argue its not harder to raise capital in non-tech circles given the state of the financial markets.

yes, it's harder than raising capital in tech circles but it's precisely why being in an environment such as hls (by the way you get to cross-register at hbs, kennedy school etc) will help w/r/t to networking, connections etc. a sizeable majority of people who go to hls will go the legal route. the point however, is that the unicorny outcomes are not as insignificant as portrayed by the tls non-hys crowd (including, but not limited to entrepreneurship/business etc).

You dodged the question again: given that tech is the easiest place to raise capital, and is a place where HBS is certainly extremely well-represented, why shouldn't I interpret the lack of HLS presence in tech as an indicator that entrepreneurship from HLS (or any other law school) is as unusual as people are making it out to be?

Also, at the end of the day, pointing out a handful of people who go from HLS to business utterly misses the point. HLS may well be the tallest midget in the field when it comes to getting into business with a JD. But if you want to go into business, it's the height of stupidity to get a JD instead of an MBA or PhD. Having a legitimate interest in business doesn't justify paying sticker at HLS for slightly better prospects in that area. It's reason to reevaluate whether law school is a good idea in the first place.

As for starting in big law, your argument is totally unhinged. You criticize CCN for how much they place in big law/clerkships, at graduation, then punt on the fact that HLS puts just as much in big law/clerkships, at graduation, by handwaving that those folks are just doing a stint in big law before bigger and better things. You're asserting that HLS -> Cleary should be treated as a different outcome than CLS -> Cleary, but with absolutely no evidence to back that up.

[jbagelboy]

I don't know how you can argue its not harder to raise capital in non-tech circles given the state of the financial markets.

yes, it's harder than raising capital in tech circles but it's precisely why being in an environment such as hls (by the way you get to cross-register at hbs, kennedy school etc) will help w/r/t to networking, connections etc. a sizeable majority of people who go to hls will go the legal route. the point however, is that the unicorny outcomes are not as insignificant as portrayed by the tls non-hys crowd (including, but not limited to entrepreneurship/business etc).

You dodged the question again: given that tech is the easiest place to raise capital, and is a place where HBS is certainly extremely well-represented, why shouldn't I interpret the lack of HLS presence in tech as an indicator that entrepreneurship from HLS (or any other law school) is as unusual as people are making it out to be?

Also, at the end of the day, pointing out a handful of people who go from HLS to business utterly misses the point. HLS may well be the tallest midget in the field when it comes to getting into business with a JD. But if you want to go into business, it's the height of stupidity to get a JD instead of an MBA or PhD. Having a legitimate interest in business doesn't justify paying sticker at HLS for slightly better prospects in that area. It's reason to reevaluate whether law school is a good idea in the first place.

As for starting in big law, your argument is totally unhinged. You criticize CCN for how much they place in big law/clerkships, at graduation, then punt on the fact that HLS puts just as much in big law/clerkships, at graduation, by handwaving that those folks are just doing a stint in big law before bigger and better things. You're asserting that HLS -> Cleary should be treated as a different outcome than CLS -> Cleary, but with absolutely no evidence to back that up.

Exactly. tl;dr not to repeat myself, but where are all the entrepreneurs: http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... a/chicago/

also, this

funny nearly 1/3 of my SA office this summer are harvard kiddos

are we supposed to be impressed? are you excited? do you have your own office? some v10's in new york make their first years share offices. can you believe that? do you have fun activities planned for the summer?

was not the point. you said this

yes, it's rare at columbia and chicago which is why they run around bragging they put 80% of their students into soulless offices in manhattan for the purpose of correcting commas and getting screamed at.

to which I was responding that chicago and columbia aren't even over-represented relative to harvard at "soulless offices." not to even mention that it's a california office

as though a comparable % of harvard students aren't heading the same place (either before or after chambers), and I think that's more of your personal veritas mythology than the post-grad employment reality.

and that brings full circle the point of OP which is that making it into big law is not worth crippling debt (when you can get there with far less crippling debt), and most people graduating from top programs will end up in big law one way or another. if you don't have a lot of debt or you have a very specific goal and you know how going to your specific school will get you there, this doesn't apply to you

[Blessedassurance]

Also, at the end of the day, pointing out a handful of people who go from HLS to business utterly misses the point. HLS may well be the tallest midget in the field when it comes to getting into business with a JD. But if you want to go into business, it's the height of stupidity to get a JD instead of an MBA or PhD. Having a legitimate interest in business doesn't justify paying sticker at HLS for slightly better prospects in that area. It's reason to reevaluate whether law school is a good idea in the first place.

first, it's way harder to get into hbs/gsb than hys. second, paying sticker is more of a problem at ccn (and downward) than at y and s. third, an mba is its own flame outside a few schools. you need neither an mba nor a law degree for start-ups/entrepreneurship. a whole bunch of people go the fly-by-night start-up--> hbs/gsb (or some other m7) route actually.

As for starting in big law, your argument is totally unhinged. You criticize CCN for how much they place in big law/clerkships, at graduation, then punt on the fact that HLS puts just as much in big law/clerkships, at graduation, by handwaving that those folks are just doing a stint in big law before bigger and better things. You're asserting that HLS -> Cleary should be treated as a different outcome than CLS -> Cleary, but with absolutely no evidence to back that up.

where do you think ccn graduates are going after their stint at cleary? nyu shouldn't even be part of this discussion but whatever.