GGU (accepted) or USF (wl but should know soon) Forum

[WheatThins]

I lost any interest.

If only...

lol, seriously This is a decent forum considering its name. There was hardly any of the snottiness I anticipated. Yes, there was sanctimony. But there was also a lot of excellent feedback. Some of you provided encouragement and I'm grateful. Some of you actually defended me. That was a rare treat. It confirms my belief that lawyers are a good bunch of guys. And ladies. (And TheSpanishMain, lol)

Sorry, just "giving back" so to speak

OP - I hope you get through law school, and keep us updated on your progress every once in a while. Really could be fascinating - It's such an odd an unique perspective from others taking more "traditional" approaches to law school. Seriously, without the pressure to do well on exams I don't think law school would be bad at all.

Good luck. As long as your expectations are in check and realistic, then I don't see any reason not to do it.

[jk148706]

OP go play in the WS of poker if your bored. Plz don't give your money to GGU, which has probably left hundreds of students financially ruined over the years

[HRomanus]

OP is there any way you could post your personal statement here? I'd be really interested in your perspective.

[marksteere]

OP I hope you get through law school, and keep us updated on your progress every once in a while. Really could be fascinating - It's such an odd an unique perspective from others taking more "traditional" approaches to law school. Seriously, without the pressure to do well on exams I don't think law school would be bad at all.

Good luck. As long as your expectations are in check and realistic, then I don't see any reason not to do it.

Thanks I'll keep you posted.

[marksteere]

OP is there any way you could post your personal statement here? I'd be really interested in your perspective.

Boy, for someone who "lost any interest", you're sporting an impressive hard on.

Here's my perspective: Chill out!

[HRomanus]

OP is there any way you could post your personal statement here? I'd be really interested in your perspective.

Boy, for someone who "lost any interest", you're sporting an impressive hard on.

Here's my perspective: Chill out!

I think this is where I'll bow out for professionalism's sake.

[NYSprague]

Did anyone link to that New York Times business article that featured the golden gate dean? I meant to link to it earlier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/busin ... d=all&_r=0

I am unsympathetic. A merit scholarship is just that. We need to have more rewards for excellence and we need to be careful not to dilute the meaning of excellence in the process. Anyone who thinks that it will be "easy" to be one of the best and then loses their scholarship due to failure to perform at that level shows insufficient merit. Why bother calling it a merit scholarship if you don't have to be one of the best?

So much hate.

It sounds like OP may not care about going to a school that uses bait and switch techniques on his classmates. I want to punch that Dean in her smug face myself.

Edit to add: just looked at their website. They are touting 75% of their students get scholarships averaging around $20,000. Didn't see anything about losing them. Oh wait, it's buried in the scholarship retention stats. 83 out of 146 had their scholarship reduced or lost.

[NYSprague]

I lost any interest.

If only...

lol, seriously This is a decent forum considering its name. There was hardly any of the snottiness I anticipated. Yes, there was sanctimony. But there was also a lot of excellent feedback. Some of you provided encouragement and I'm grateful. Some of you actually defended me. That was a rare treat. It confirms my belief that lawyers are a good bunch of guys. And ladies. (And TheSpanishMain, lol)

Sorry, just "giving back" so to speak

OP - I hope you get through law school, and keep us updated on your progress every once in a while. Really could be fascinating - It's such an odd an unique perspective from others taking more "traditional" approaches to law school. Seriously, without the pressure to do well on exams I don't think law school would be bad at all.

Good luck. As long as your expectations are in check and realistic, then I don't see any reason not to do it.

OP is wasting his time and money. Fine for him because he finds that humorous. I just don't want people not in his shoes to think this school is doing anything more than stealing money from its students.

Edit: They don't even give a simple semester cost to attend. Is it around $40,000?

[03152016]

I lost any interest.

If only...

lol, seriously This is a decent forum considering its name. There was hardly any of the snottiness I anticipated. Yes, there was sanctimony. But there was also a lot of excellent feedback. Some of you provided encouragement and I'm grateful. Some of you actually defended me. That was a rare treat. It confirms my belief that lawyers are a good bunch of guys. And ladies. (And TheSpanishMain, lol)

Sorry, just "giving back" so to speak

OP - I hope you get through law school, and keep us updated on your progress every once in a while. Really could be fascinating - It's such an odd an unique perspective from others taking more "traditional" approaches to law school. Seriously, without the pressure to do well on exams I don't think law school would be bad at all.

Good luck. As long as your expectations are in check and realistic, then I don't see any reason not to do it.

OP is wasting his time and money. Fine for him because he finds that humorous. I just don't want people not in his shoes to think this school is doing anything more than stealing money from its students.

yeah if there was any justice in the world this toilet would have been shut down years ago and its assets distributed among its victims

[TheSpanishMain]

Some of you actually defended me. That was a rare treat. It confirms my belief that lawyers are a good bunch of guys. And ladies. (And TheSpanishMain, lol)

Sorry, just "giving back" so to speak

Hey, you asked for opinions. I'm not saying you're a bad person. I'm only going on what you've posted here. Maybe if I met you in real life I'd think you were a great guy. But in this thread you come off as a self centered manchild.

[03152016]

and even if op doesn't personally care about the horrifying costs, nightmarish employment statistics, terrifying conditional scholly retention data, and toilet tier reputation
it's good to have it in the thread anyways
eventually some prospective students are going to google 'should i go to ggu or usf law'
welcome misguided souls

[NYSprague]

and even if op doesn't personally care about the horrifying costs, nightmarish employment statistics, terrifying conditional scholly retention data, and toilet tier reputation
it's good to have it in the thread anyways
eventually some prospective students are going to google 'should i go to ggu or usf law'
welcome misguided souls

Yeah. I wonder how OP will feel knowing his classmates are getting the bait and switch while the school steals their money and they end up in debt the rest of their lives.

[marksteere]

I wonder how OP will feel knowing his classmates are getting the bait and switch while the school steals their money and they end up in debt the rest of their lives.

Every 0L book you can possibly buy warns you that even if you never got a C in your life, you'll probably get one in law school because they grade on a curve. If you were such a smug ass that you never bothered to read a 0L book, and you were such a smug ass that you felt no need to inquire into the scholly retention data even though you had this ginormous, potentially life-screwing financial risk in play, and you ended up with a 2.99, then you just bought yourself an expensive and valuable lesson in how not to be a smug ass. Motion denied.

[Atlanticist]

That's all whatever to me. Paying like 140K to the scam artists that run GGU and perpetuating that school is the problem I have with it. I'd rather him pay 66K to the scam artist that runs Monterey College of Law (or wherever) than pay sticker at GGU. He has no reason to attend an ABA school.

But if this guy really is the rich loser burnout that he has portrayed himself to be ITT, he's going to drop out in like week 2 anyway so none of this really matters.

In my view, Zuck, you've picked the wrong target in going after Monterey.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... t=monterey

OP, if you just want the kudos and sense of achievement of passing the bar, go to Monterey, get your JD, then pass the Cal Bar - for one thing, the Dean seems like a pretty chill dude to hang with. And I suspect Monterey has fewer young special snowflakes with more money than sense than at the scam pit that is GGU.

[Mullens]

Yeah you should probably read that entire thread, Atlanticist.

[BigZuck]

That's all whatever to me. Paying like 140K to the scam artists that run GGU and perpetuating that school is the problem I have with it. I'd rather him pay 66K to the scam artist that runs Monterey College of Law (or wherever) than pay sticker at GGU. He has no reason to attend an ABA school.

But if this guy really is the rich loser burnout that he has portrayed himself to be ITT, he's going to drop out in like week 2 anyway so none of this really matters.

In my view, Zuck, you've picked the wrong target in going after Monterey.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... t=monterey

OP, if you just want the kudos and sense of achievement of passing the bar, go to Monterey, get your JD, then pass the Cal Bar - for one thing, the Dean seems like a pretty chill dude to hang with. And I suspect Monterey has fewer young special snowflakes with more money than sense than at the scam pit that is GGU.

Lol

Check out page 10 of that thread broseph. I'm familiar with that thread.

Dean Winnick is a total scumbag

[Paul Campos]

As capital wealth continues to grow faster than the economy as a whole, we're going to see more and more of this: aimless rich kids (or 40 and 50something kids at heart) going to law school and the like simply to avoid the social awkwardness of having to either flat out lie, or say "nothing," when people ask them what they do.

Of course they're going to end up making claims chock full of truthiness when they say they're lawyers, since they'll be "lawyers" who never actually practice law, or have jobs of any kind for that matter.

Law school is perfect for this sort of thing since dozens of ABA schools now have de facto open admissions policies for anybody who pays sticker.

Getting lectured by somebody living off inherited wealth about "personal responsibility" is a bit much however.

[Atlanticist]

Yeah you should probably read that entire thread, Atlanticist.

I did. The Dean seems to make a pretty compelling case that Monterey serves a useful function for a certain type of older law student who's perhaps already working a job - perhaps real estate or whatever, and some legal training would augment their existing work experience (and yes, I know the OP is a credential-seeking trust funder rather than this situation). Is Monterey suitable for the average TLSer ? Absolutely not. Does it make more sense for the OP than contributing to the flat out scam that is GGU ? I would argue yes.

[NYSprague]

I wonder how OP will feel knowing his classmates are getting the bait and switch while the school steals their money and they end up in debt the rest of their lives.

Every 0L book you can possibly buy warns you that even if you never got a C in your life, you'll probably get one in law school because they grade on a curve. If you were such a smug ass that you never bothered to read a 0L book, and you were such a smug ass that you felt no need to inquire into the scholly retention data even though you had this ginormous, potentially life-screwing financial risk in play, and you ended up with a 2.99, then you just bought yourself an expensive and valuable lesson in how not to be a smug ass. Motion denied.

And how do you plan to learn that lesson? You seem to feel it is valuable and worth chaining 21 year olds to hundreds of thousands of non-dischargable debt that only benefits the school.
You know the school doesn't disclose that they section stack, so that scholarship students are guaranteed to lose their money.

[NYSprague]

As capital wealth continues to grow faster than the economy as a whole, we're going to see more and more of this: aimless rich kids (or 40 and 50something kids at heart) going to law school and the like simply to avoid the social awkwardness of having to either flat out lie, or say "nothing," when people ask them what they do.

Of course they're going to end up making claims chock full of truthiness when they say they're lawyers, since they'll be "lawyers" who never actually practice law, or have jobs of any kind for that matter.

Law school is perfect for this sort of thing since dozens of ABA schools now have de facto open admissions policies for anybody who pays sticker.

Getting lectured by somebody living off inherited wealth about "personal responsibility" is a bit much however.

Prof Campos... why is it that people don't feel law schools owes honesty to their students? Many students expect that schools won't flat out mislead them. In fact, most undergrads don't mislead students. So students don't expect it. I don't understand why law schools aren't scathingly criticized for all their lies.

[marksteere]

I don't understand why law schools aren't scathingly criticized for all their lies.

Because, as a college graduate you're supposed to be an adult and thoroughly investigate your investments beforehand. Buyer beware, look before you leap, and please, PLEASE stop sniveling on behalf of these victims of their own stupidity.

[Paul Campos]

Scathing criticisms of the purported employment statistics advertised by law schools were common on scam blogs as far back as the middle of the previous decade, although the scam blog movement didn't really take off until about five years ago. That movement started to get widespread media attention in 2011, although the WSJ gave some publicity to it as long ago as 2007.

This attention pressured the ABA Section on Legal Education (which has traditionally been dominated by law school deans and faculty) to finally force schools to publish something resembling real employment stats, starting in 2012. Before then only a few elite schools published halfway transparent stats, while everybody else quoted "employment" numbers that included every kind of job, whether legally related or not, and salary statistics that failed to disclose how many graduates were included in the salary numbers.

At this point, anybody who approaches law school employment stats with the appropriate caution -- a huge caveat, since many potential matrics and their families continue to have extremely unrealistic views of the market -- can get a pretty good idea of how horrible the employment numbers are at schools like GGU. So a huge amount of progress has been made, which is reflected in the crash of 1L enrollment from 52,500 in 2010 to around 37,000 this fall.

[NYSprague]

I don't understand why law schools aren't scathingly criticized for all their lies.

Because, as a college graduate you're supposed to be an adult and thoroughly investigate your investments beforehand. Buyer beware, look before you leap, and please, PLEASE stop sniveling on behalf of these victims of their own stupidity.

Schools are allowed to lie just to get government funds using students as the middle man. I'm sure you don't see this being a concern for public policy. You know these loans being funneled from the government to the student will never be repaid, right?


It's the height of absurdity that schools hold their students to some ethical standard that they would never meet.

[jbagelboy]

If you want a really compelling and engaging experience, why not take the LSAT again, try for it this time (since you're into "the challenge") and go to Stanford. Then you'll actually have interesting classes and classmates, you'll be challenged by your work, your peers, your professors, and you could even provide some alumni cred for your kids. Golden gate will just be depressing and you will probably say fuck it and drop out when you realize 1) how pointless the experience proves for you personally and 2) how damaging the school is as an institution to young students who aim to practice law and get duped into a junkyard program.

You are right; you are old and will die soon. You can only go to law school once. Why attend a dying scam? It hardly matters whether you go next year or the following year at this point, so you may as well make it the best you can (given your geographic constraints).

Also it saddens me that there are parents like you who would actually consider forfeiting their children's college tuition and inheritance on TTT tuition for a degree they admit they'll never use. Shitboomers at their worst.

[twenty]

and go to Stanford.

dat 2.3 doe.