Any Difference Between T2, TTT and TTTT Schools? Forum

[NorCalLaw]

What in the hell is going on here?

Cognitive dissonance playing itself out in the public sphere.

[Young Marino]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

[Legisperitus]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

There he is!

[Young Marino]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

There he is!

allstar brings up a few good pints and I echo most of his statements. You all pride yourselves on giving "solid advice" when in fact you're all just prestige whoring.

[Turtledove]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

There he is!

allstar brings up a few good pints and I echo most of his statements. You all pride yourselves on giving "solid advice" when in fact you're all just prestige whoring.

Stay gold ponyboy.

[TheSpanishMain]

This is the part where Young Marino plays his rhetorical trump card and calls everyone living in reality a "prestige whore." Soon he'll be asked for evidence of this, at which point he'll disappear from the thread entirely. Future prosecutor, everyone.

[dsamuels]

This thread just entertained me for the last 15 min leaving work.
Please continue. Round 2: Let it commence

[star fox]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

There he is!

allstar brings up a few good pints and I echo most of his statements. You all pride yourselves on giving "solid advice" when in fact you're all just prestige whoring.

There's nothing prestige whorish about looking at employment outcomes. If TLS were prestige whores they would tell people to turn down Rubies to go to HYS, when in fact, everybody says the opposite.

[Nucky]

This is the part where Young Marino plays his rhetorical trump card and calls everyone living in reality a "prestige whore." Soon he'll be asked for evidence of this, at which point he'll disappear from the thread entirely. Future prosecutor, everyone.

[timmyd]

I've attended both a ttt and now a UT/Vandy/UCLA. i honestly don't think the quality of student is absurdly different. The difference is how employers view them and thats all that matters.

[First Offense]

OP putting in work trolling this thread.

[PepperJack]

TLSers just tend to be such snobs that 1) you get big law (after 2L SA); 2) you get art III and then big law; or 3) law school was not worth it and was an enormous mistake...

There are many routes that a person can take to make law school at sticker "worth it"

Finally someone with some sense on this board!

There he is!

allstar brings up a few good pints and I echo most of his statements. You all pride yourselves on giving "solid advice" when in fact you're all just prestige whoring.

You haven't started law school yet, and I don't understand what real insight you're providing. Only taking out six figure debt for a 50% chance of paying it off isn't prestige whoring. It's called not being an idiot. Taking out six figures of debt for a 10% chance of paying it off just to say you're a lawyer is prestige whoring. You are literally whoring yourself at great expense for prestige. The term whore refers to an individual who has physical relations for money at great risk of personal/medical injury. Prestige whoring is generally regarded as being like a whore, but to act like a whore in return for prestige and not for money. For instance, would we call a model who makes a lot of money with no real expense to them a whore? No, you'd call them successful or at worst, a plastic. Really, you are more of the prestige whore. People don't work in big law for the prestige by and large. They do it because you're treated well, work on good cases with very few deadbeat clients, and work on a big team with the best and brightest.

[ruralaw]

Did admin really ban OP?

[reasonable_man]

This thread looks more good. I'm gonna stay and watch for a while.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Did admin really ban OP?

Yes, for like a day or so.

[TheSpanishMain]

They do it because you're treated well

This is the first time I've heard this, unless by 'treated well' you mean 'paid well.'

[PepperJack]

Relative to private practice elsewhere unless your former solo's a great man/woman. I'm sure there's exceptions but there's a reason tyrants in big law get on ATL. They're not the norm.

[reasonable_man]

In NYC, there is always some prejudice against the traditional shithouse schools like Touro, Hofstra, etc., but for the most part, NY attorneys are generally aware of the fact that most schools suck pretty equally outside of the T14. I work with attorneys From the T14 all the way down to TTTT (and am a TTTT grad myself). I've not noticed a measurable correlation between attorney skill and LS attended. All anecdotal, of course. I have no horse in the race. I was lucky to graduate in 08' land a good job and while my starting salary was mediocre, at best ($50K or so), I've more than doubled it since then and haven't hit any sort of a ceiling yet (knock on wood). A year ago, I thought about leaving my firm and received multiple $100,000+ offers. I know people from top schools that haven't done as well as I have and I know people from top schools that have done way better (obviously). IMHO, the difference in quality between TT and TTT and TTTT is minimal (as far as job prospects), but that may be different outside of NY. Attorney to attorney, in the throws of litigation, no one cares where you went to LS.

[UnicornHunter]

In NYC, there is always some prejudice against the traditional shithouse schools like Touro, Hofstra, etc., but for the most part, NY attorneys are generally aware of the fact that most schools suck pretty equally outside of the T14. I work with attorneys From the T14 all the way down to TTTT (and am a TTTT grad myself). I've not noticed a measurable correlation between attorney skill and LS attended. All anecdotal, of course. I have no horse in the race. I was lucky to graduate in 08' land a good job and while my starting salary was mediocre, at best ($50K or so), I've more than doubled it since then and haven't hit any sort of a ceiling yet (knock on wood). A year ago, I thought about leaving my firm and received multiple $100,000+ offers. I know people from top schools that haven't done as well as I have and I know people from top schools that have done way better (obviously). IMHO, the difference in quality between TT and TTT and TTTT is minimal (as far as job prospects), but that may be different outside of NY. Attorney to attorney, in the throws of litigation, no one cares where you went to LS.

Yea, the big difference is the odds of ever finding yourself "attorney to attorney". For this LST is a better guide than USNWR.

[thejaquio]

Bump.

More information on TTT employment outcomes vs non T-20 T1s? Numbers? Data?

[lymenheimer]

Bump.

More information on TTT employment outcomes vs non T-20 T1s? Numbers? Data?

Why...just why? Look at your desired schools' ABA employment reports.

[thejaquio]

Those things are often unreliable/vague, even after the push for law school transparency. I'd like to hear more anecdotal "evidence" of the types of jobs going to lower tier grads and to hear of their gpa/other creds...

I also realize the irony of brushing aside official reports for being too unreliable, but wanting anecdotal evidence. But there is something to be said for getting a more specific picture, which sometimes only (true) personal stories can provide.

[stego]

They do it because you're treated well

This is the first time I've heard this, unless by 'treated well' you mean 'paid well.'

Payment is one of the best treats.

[thejaquio]

So is not being forced to bill 2200 hrs. per year.

What good is making 160k if you are too haggard to spend it?

[cavalier1138]

I also realize the irony of brushing aside official reports for being too unreliable, but wanting anecdotal evidence. But there is something to be said for getting a more specific picture, which sometimes only (true) personal stories can provide.

I don't think you actually do realize the irony...