PSA: forget about specialties or professors--take the money Forum

[A. Nony Mouse]

This may not be a popular opinion, but: if you already have a top PhD in your field, and you've published, and you have a clear research agenda that translates to law, I'm not really convinced you need HYS to have a shot at academia (to the extent anyone does) - you could take the money at a slightly lesser school (but not just the Hammy/Ruby) and likely do just as well.

[worldtraveler]

I wouldn't go to law school if you're academia or bust.

[manu6926]

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[manu6926]

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[A. Nony Mouse]

Clerking isn't a career path, unless you actually mean becoming a career clerk, which isn't easy because there aren't many of them. Clerking is something you do along the way to something else. I'm a huge advocate of clerking, but you have to have a plan for after clerking, and that's the plan that should guide your choice of schools.

[Elston Gunn]

Nobody in consulting? What are you talking about? The admissions dean at HLS did consulting after graduating from HLS. IB? I've read about someone who went from SLS to Lehman. The current CEO of Goldman Sachs is from HLS. The current CEO of Morgan Stanley is from Columbia Law. I'm sure only few go into these fields largely due to self-selection, but graduates of prestigious law schools are able to enter those fields.

McKinsey is the only consulting firm that did Yale FIP last year. 21 interviews. 1 offer. Really, really don't go to HYS for the consulting opps.

Why the other stuff is not particularly relevant to someone entering the field today should be obvious.

[09042014]

Nobody in consulting? What are you talking about? The admissions dean at HLS did consulting after graduating from HLS. IB? I've read about someone who went from SLS to Lehman. The current CEO of Goldman Sachs is from HLS. The current CEO of Morgan Stanley is from Columbia Law. I'm sure only few go into these fields largely due to self-selection, but graduates of prestigious law schools are able to enter those fields.

Clerkships? How do you know this career path is not worth pursuing when you likely didn't even give it a shot?

Oh wow a non lawyer did consulting. Damn near nobody does consulting, and again, why would you want to. IB is for suckers now. Lehman literally hasn't been a thing since 2008 and you heard about someone who went there? LOL. My friend from Northwestern is at Goldman, but virtually nobody goes. And again, why go to law school if that is your goal.

Clerkships aren't a career path. It's a tiny stepping stone. It's a temp gig.

[manu6926]

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[09042014]

Clerking isn't a career path, unless you actually mean becoming a career clerk, which isn't easy because there aren't many of them. Clerking is something you do along the way to something else. I'm a huge advocate of clerking, but you have to have a plan for after clerking, and that's the plan that should guide your choice of schools.

Thanks for the insight. I meant becoming a judge,

lolololololollol.

[manu6926]

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[njdevils2626]

I can't tell if you're illiterate or what's going on here... I mean, those are literally the two qualifiers that rad stated might make it worth it. What are you arguing?

Can't you read? He said "maybe even if you have the shit I mentioned"

Hence the italicized might (is it easier to see if I bold it for you?). Come on man, at least try to read the posts to which you're trying to reply...

[manu6926]

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[UnicornHunter]

This may not be a popular opinion, but: if you already have a top PhD in your field, and you've published, and you have a clear research agenda that translates to law, I'm not really convinced you need HYS to have a shot at academia (to the extent anyone does) - you could take the money at a slightly lesser school (but not just the Hammy/Ruby) and likely do just as well.

I'm very convinced that a big part of the reason Yale does so well with academia is they deliberately admit people who already have those credentials as part of their process*. Yea, it helps that they don't have to worry about grades as much and that the faculty will go to bat for them, but I'd be willing to bet that Yale's placement into academia is a lot less impressive for its non-phd holding students.


*42 graduate degrees in Yale's class of 2016.

[09042014]

Clerking isn't a career path, unless you actually mean becoming a career clerk, which isn't easy because there aren't many of them. Clerking is something you do along the way to something else. I'm a huge advocate of clerking, but you have to have a plan for after clerking, and that's the plan that should guide your choice of schools.

Thanks for the insight. I meant becoming a judge,

lolololololollol.

lol at me all you want. You were a 0L once too.

You don't to claim 0L status and then tell us how the legal world works.

Tell me you didn't turn down big money anywhere?

[manu6926]

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[A. Nony Mouse]

Clerking isn't a career path, unless you actually mean becoming a career clerk, which isn't easy because there aren't many of them. Clerking is something you do along the way to something else. I'm a huge advocate of clerking, but you have to have a plan for after clerking, and that's the plan that should guide your choice of schools.

Thanks for the insight. I meant becoming a judge,

Um, no. Those are two completely different things and there is almost no connection between them. Some judges were clerks, but plenty weren't, and there's a shitload of steps to take before you can get there. Judges come from all kinds of different schools, too.

This may not be a popular opinion, but: if you already have a top PhD in your field, and you've published, and you have a clear research agenda that translates to law, I'm not really convinced you need HYS to have a shot at academia (to the extent anyone does) - you could take the money at a slightly lesser school (but not just the Hammy/Ruby) and likely do just as well.

I'm very convinced that a big part of the reason Yale does so well with academia is they deliberately admit people who already have those credentials as part of their process*. Yea, it helps that they don't have to worry about grades as much and that the faculty will go to bat for them, but I'd be willing to bet that Yale's placement into academia is a lot less impressive for its non-phd holding students.


*42 graduate degrees in Yale's class of 2016.

Completely agree.

[manu6926]

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[09042014]

I can't tell if you're illiterate or what's going on here... I mean, those are literally the two qualifiers that rad stated might make it worth it. What are you arguing?

Can't you read? He said "maybe even if you have the shit I mentioned"

Hence the italicized might (is it easier to see if I bold it for you?). Come on man, at least try to read the posts to which you're trying to reply...

Must have learnt how to read by studying for the LSAT, based on your GPA and major.

Are you worried that you will be treated as a second class citizen at HLS because you got in off the waitlist?

[09042014]

Thanks for the insight. I meant becoming a judge,

lol at me all you want. You were a 0L once too.

You don't to claim 0L status and then tell us how the legal world works.

Tell me you didn't turn down big money anywhere?

I turned down Columbia and Chicago schollys. My parents are paying.

As long as it's not coming out of your inherritence, that's prob the right choice.

[manu6926]

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[rad lulz]

Best way to be a judge is be an Ada, rub shoulders in the the party, get to know judicial nom people bc of your job/contacts, get on the ticket, boom. Judge.

[rad lulz]

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[manu6926]

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[quijotesca1011]

Yeah consulting and IB are so easy to enter, right?

They aren't easy to enter, but there are enough people that get that out of underaged that I can't imagine why it would make a sense to get a law degree to do either one.

[TooOld4This]

What is this IB/consulting crap assuming you can even get those jobs (probs not) it's like ooh let's get jobs that have similar problems w biglaw in terms of hours and shit SUCH OPTIONS

Plus if you weren't a dummy you'd probs just have done those after undergrad

Yeah consulting and IB are so easy to enter, right? What a piece of shit.

People who get these jobs out of HYS could have gotten them without going to HYS.