H vs Y Forum

[lawschool22]

You're right generally, I just want to point out one glaring omission, which is that many more than 60 people participate at Yale's on-campus recruiting, FIP (which is your "competition," not the number of grads who begin at firms after graduation). Yale publishes data on what it's students do summer of 2L: http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... oyment.htm

As you see, roughly 3/4 (71-75% over the past five years) work at private law firms, and the "vast majority" of students participate in FIP. So you're really competing with 80%+ of the class. You can't take LST numbers to represent # of people summering at firms.

Same goes for Harvard I guess (way more than 315 students go to EIP), although the difference is less pronounced.

That's true, but I think the general point that Yale is an easier road than Harvard still stands. OP is probably going to pick H, but I just wanted to make sure he considered how Yale fit into his goals, and the not-insignificant fact that it is cheaper, prior to making that final decision. I felt that OP was brushing off too easily the advantage Yale has as far as general ease of obtaining employment. We're obviously at the margins here, but any attempt to say that Yale = Harvard when it comes to gaining uber-prestigious employment is misguided.

[Cicero76]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

[chizzy]

plus the fact that yale has no grades makes it highly attractive. but goodluck OP

[ph14]

plus the fact that yale has no grades makes it highly attractive. but goodluck OP

Yale has grades. Plus, the downside of Yale's grading system is that people's desire to distinguish themselves just involves activities other than grades. The number of Yale students who submit their papers to top law journals for publications would probably surprise you.

[chizzy]

plus the fact that yale has no grades makes it highly attractive. but goodluck OP

Yale has grades. Plus, the downside of Yale's grading system is that people's desire to distinguish themselves just involves activities other than grades. The number of Yale students who submit their papers to top law journals for publications would probably surprise you.

True. but i think it at least removes the pressure of people competing over grades and focus somewhere else that could actually help their career. Alot of students stress over grades.

[Blessedassurance]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

[ph14]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

Posts like this aren't the best way to win hearts and minds.

[chizzy]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

i dont think he/shes comment was "butthurd" OP came here for advice, theres nothing wrong with a yalie giving their own opinion.

[Cicero76]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

Are you serious?

[Blessedassurance]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

Posts like this aren't the best way to win hearts and minds.

i'm not trying to. i'm just sick of all this whining and over-analysis. i knew someone that did this painstaking analytic bullshit and chose yale just to end up at cleary. yeah, i'm sure only yale could have gotten you cleary. For like at least 80% of people at both schools, it won't make a difference. s&c versus dpw are simply different flavors of the same shit. people go from paul weiss to irell etc. it doesn't matter where he/she chooses.

also, lol at yale opening any special doors that harvard can't. yale's only advantage in my opinion is actually the no grades thing.

lol at celebrating federal clerkships. it's useful for litigation and the exit option to litigation is more litigation. good luck with that.

[Blessedassurance]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

i dont think he/shes comment was "butthurd" OP came here for advice, theres nothing wrong with a yalie giving their own opinion.

he is literally in every thread that mentions yale...crying, throwing hissy fits, and waxing poetic over some delusional "unicorn positions" reserved for yale students. that's why someone asked him if he had a google alert for whenever yls gets mentioned.

[Cicero76]

Lololol. I come into a tread where a poster has replied to every suggestion that he attend Yale with "yeah but" and tell him he should attend Harvard, because he clearly wants to and it's not like it's gunna hurt him, and that's a hissy fit? And super lol @taking any mention of "unicorn jobs" seriously. The term is literally a caricature, I don't think it's possible to use it non sarcastically

Edit: I mean come on, someone asked where YLS grads hang out and I said "the unicorn forest." I get that there's no sarcasm font, but seriously?

[SnakySalmon]

OP is a bro who clearly wants to go to Harvard; he should go there

why are you yalies so butthurt when people choose harvard or stanford? why do you even care? do you see H or S students crying in every thread because someone likes yale more than H or S?

i dont think he/shes comment was "butthurd" OP came here for advice, theres nothing wrong with a yalie giving their own opinion.

he is literally in every thread that mentions yale...crying, throwing hissy fits, and waxing poetic over some delusional "unicorn positions" reserved for yale students. that's why someone asked him if he had a google alert for whenever yls gets mentioned.

Just to be clear, I'm the one who asked him about the Google alert, and I was joking. I like Cicero, and find his enthusiasm about Yale charming.

You on the other hand, seem really angry all the time, and make Harvard seem less appealing. Fortunately, ph14 is a pretty cool dude.

[BelugaWhale]

Im at HLS. I'm also a whale. Whale's eat Salmon. Dont hate me or HLS.

[t-14orbust]

Lololol. I come into a tread where a poster has replied to every suggestion that he attend Yale with "yeah but" and tell him he should attend Harvard, because he clearly wants to and it's not like it's gunna hurt him, and that's a hissy fit? And super lol @taking any mention of "unicorn jobs" seriously. The term is literally a caricature, I don't think it's possible to use it non sarcastically

Edit: I mean come on, someone asked where YLS grads hang out and I said "the unicorn forest." I get that there's no sarcasm font, but seriously?

Can confirm that Cicero is a chill bro

[Elston Gunn]

plus the fact that yale has no grades makes it highly attractive. but goodluck OP

Yale has grades. Plus, the downside of Yale's grading system is that people's desire to distinguish themselves just involves activities other than grades. The number of Yale students who submit their papers to top law journals for publications would probably surprise you.

True. but i think it at least removes the pressure of people competing over grades and focus somewhere else that could actually help their career. Alot of students stress over grades.

People still stress over grades, though possibly less, and certainly more quietly. I'd say total stress for the average, still motivated person is the same as anywhere, and to the extent it's not, it's just because it's so easy to get certain jobs. (I'm not sure why it should be a negative that people submit to other journals, though. Seems like a good idea for the large number of people here who want to be academics, and a great feature for them that they can focus on that instead of grades.)

The advantages of the grading system are that it's impossible to be at the bottom of the class (and thus look bad on paper to firms, etc.), and if you decide you don't have any interest in competing you can check out of classes almost completely and not suffer negative consequences. But for most people I don't think it reduces stress all that much.

[SnakySalmon]

Im at HLS. I'm also a whale. Whale's eat Salmon. Dont hate me or HLS.

Honestly, I'd be more afraid if you were a dam.

[Blessedassurance]

You on the other hand, seem really angry all the time, and make Harvard seem less appealing. Fortunately, ph14 is a pretty cool dude.

do you seriously think i care what you or anyone does with their lives? i seldom comment on on-topic forums due to the naivete and petty back and forth over meaningless shit. i'm not an ambassador. i'm also not angry. i just don't care enough for the hand-holding and encouraging people to choose x over y because they think they'll be prosecuting laurent gbagbo at the hague. I jump in once a while to correct some misconceptions but i assure you i do not care what anyone does. all of hys will fill their classes. we're all pawns in this gig.

[BelugaWhale]

Im at HLS. I'm also a whale. Whale's eat Salmon. Dont hate me or HLS.

Honestly, I'd be more afraid if you were a dam.

You can't spell Yale without dam.

Don't overthink it. Come to HLS

[Blessedassurance]

literally everything that can be said about this topic has been said already. over, and over again. everyone that starts such a thread (no offense to the op) just wants to be told what they want to hear. it's like that funny scenario where some dude was wondering what to choose between yale and a ruby. everyone with the exception of some 0L's told him to take the ruby. after countless pages of convincing arguments, he chose yale. i'm not faulting his choice at all but what was the point of the thread? he was going to choose yale over the ruby anyways.

[jbagelboy]

literally everything that can be said about this topic has been said already. over, and over again. everyone that starts such a thread (no offense to the op) just wants to be told what they want to hear. it's like that funny scenario where some dude was wondering what to choose between yale and a ruby. everyone with the exception of some 0L's told him to take the ruby. after countless pages of convincing arguments, he chose yale. i'm not faulting his choice at all but what was the point of the thread? he was going to choose yale over the ruby anyways.

i generally agree but that's because usually those folks have family money they don't want to talk about that ends up driving the decision. there is that ~10% of people who are actually faced with tough choices re: debt and read back through the comments and maybe it informs their decision in a positive way, idk. a few people are taking the full scholarships this cycle, and a few did last cycle, after reviewing the rehearsed arguments back and forth

but this is h vs. y which, yea, is silly.

[reverendt]

You seem to be putting a lot of weight on meeting a lot of people, being near a big city and having lots of bars to hang out in. In my experience this is misguided because (again...in my experience from LS):
1) You will hang out with some friends you make in your 1L section. You probably won't have time to be trolling the city looking for other folks to hang out with.
2) You will hang out at one local bar. Sure, New Haven is not Boston or NYC, but it won't matter. If you like some bar time, I'm sure there will be an appropriate bar in New Haven (it is a college town, after all) where you and your new friends will unwind.
3) Again, you're not going to have that much time. Your life will revolve around school, studying, and a little down-time to go to a local watering hole with some friends.