FINAL: NYU ($) v. Duke ($$) v. HLS - LS22 needs your help Forum

[Pneumonia]

Desert Fox wrote:
Also it ignores the NW students who bid on Chicago and strike out, who probably could have gotten a job in NYC where it is easier. It's got a slightly better reputation in one city. NYU doesn't mean shit to people outside NYC.

This is neither helpful, smart, nor true. You're either an egregious Chicago troll or a OL. Either way, this person is trying to make a decision with the rest of his or her life. I'd be less cavalier in casting aspersions, no matter how justified it makes you feel in the choices you've made or are about to make.

Lol'd at this

[lawschool22]

-Your general career goals: DC biglaw (litigation) immediately after graduation, with the hope of moving into federal government after a few years in biglaw (3-5 years probably, depending on available opportunities).

Lulz. Good luck getting any of that with your current options.

Thanks for the well wishes.

[lawschool22]

Thanks to everyone for the interesting discussion that took place while I was out and about enjoying the Duke ASW . A lot of interesting things to think about. You have convinced me that I should give NU a chance and attend the ASW next week.

[09042014]

Chicago is the best city in America. Duke is in MFE. No choice.

[jbagelboy]

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[09042014]

Chicago is the best city in America. Duke is in MFE. No choice.

Now you're starting to sound like a true Wildcat. My SO's sister went to Northwestern for undergrad and she & her sorority sisters are obsessed with Chicago. To be honest, I don't really see it. Pretty "meh" compared to NY or SF. I'll grant you that it's way cooler than anything in North Carolina though.

SF? just lol.

NY smells like piss and garbage, the people are assholes, and everything is expensive.

[SteelPenguin]

Chicago is the best city in America. Duke is in MFE. No choice.

Now you're starting to sound like a true Wildcat. My SO's sister went to Northwestern for undergrad and she & her sorority sisters are obsessed with Chicago. To be honest, I don't really see it. Pretty "meh" compared to NY or SF. I'll grant you that it's way cooler than anything in North Carolina though.

SF? just lol.

NY smells like piss and garbage, the people are assholes, and everything is expensive.

lol

[patogordo]

chicago is cold and windy. dealbreaker.

[manu6926]

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[jbagelboy]

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[lawschool22]

The weather at Duke might partially make up for some of Durham's shortcomings compared to a major city like NYC . Not to mention, I'm going to be a poor law student, so I'm not sure how much I'll get to take advantage of all the city has to offer. In fact, for me personally, fewer "distractions" may have a positive effect on my ability to focus .

Still though, I don't have any idea where to go lol. Duke's ASW was pretty good, and I could see myself there. But then again I have nothing to compare it to yet. Northwestern is next week, so we'll see how that goes. I am still concerned about Northwestern's ability to give me a decent shot at DC though.

[californiauser]

Chicago is the best city in America. Duke is in MFE. No choice.

Now you're starting to sound like a true Wildcat. My SO's sister went to Northwestern for undergrad and she & her sorority sisters are obsessed with Chicago. To be honest, I don't really see it. Pretty "meh" compared to NY or SF. I'll grant you that it's way cooler than anything in North Carolina though.

SF? just lol.

NY smells like piss and garbage, the people are assholes, and everything is expensive.

San Francisco is amazing. New York is whatever, but at least it has everything. Chicago is some unsavory combination of industrial waste, gangland conflict zone, second rate hybrid ethnic cuisine, festival grounds, and an oasis of pretension hiding in the Loop. You admittedly have a stellar set of art museums.

Chicago traffic sucks like LA, but without the weather; it has crime like Baghdad, without the history; it has the politics of Nicaragua, without the pacific beaches; the public school system of Louisiana , without mardi gras; and it's professional athletics teams basically universally suck.

Comparing any place where you can't go outside without 3+ layers for more than 5 months out of the year is basically just maneuvering within gradations of shittiness. It's still shitty.

this is art

well done

[BigBlackTruck]

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[rayiner]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

[cotiger]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

Odd praise for Chicago's high level of segregation.

[rayiner]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

Odd praise for Chicago's high level of segregation.

I'm talking about the segregation of crime, not the segregation of races.

[cotiger]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

Odd praise for Chicago's high level of segregation.

I'm talking about the segregation of crime, not the segregation of races.

I mean, I got that that was your main thrust. But it's mapped on to the whole don't be in the south side and don't be a racial minority. I don't doubt that chicago is totally chill if you're a white person in Lincoln park (I've been there many times, gf's fam lives there), but it's still kind of awkward that that segregation of violence is a result of (or at least perceived to be a result of) the high level of racial segregation. I dig Chicago, but that's not really a plus for the city in my book.

[09042014]

Also, for living on a law student loans, Chicago actually allows you to lead to good life. Though obviously Duke is even cheaper .

[t14splitter]

Something worth considering, from someone who also attended the Duke ASW:

I'm not sure how important clerkships are to you (and many TLSers would argue it is not something worth considering when deciding schools anyway), but the Federal Clerkship #s are very very overstated. Look at the handout of employment outcomes from last year - only 7 grads by my count are in COA clerkships, and out of those none are with an influential judge or even in an influential circuit. This is out of the 22 listed grads in Fed clerkships.

Heres the link to overall stats: https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2013.pdf

Also, I get the feeling at Duke that the Big Law numbers were inflated by students with ties going to smaller markets throughout the South and the rest of the country. They sell it as "Duke grads go everywhere," but I personally interpret that as "Duke does not place grads particularly well in any market." Without ties to any secondary markets, especially in the South, it may be a more risky choice than the numbers let on.

That being said, the school is beautiful, the weather is beautiful, and it seemed like the students were genuinely happier than at other ASWs I've attended.

Just my thoughts.

[09042014]

Funny how people who complain about segregation aren't willing to move to the ghetto.

[iamgeorgebush]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

since when is san francisco full of hipsters? the tech nerds have priced the hipsters out of SF at this point. you must be thinking of oakland.

and SF does not have any more "sanctimonious liberals" (lol) than NYC. again, you must be thinking of oakland (or berkeley).

i will say, though, that women in new york tend to be more attractive than women in the bay area, even if there's way too much plastic surgery going on in NYC.

[californiauser]

San Francisco is full of hipsters and the worst kind of sanctimonious liberals. The skyline is pissant, there is a shortage of chicks, and you pay Manhattan prices to live in a sleepy coastal town. New York is dirty and smelly half the year, but its the center of the universe. More going on in one block than San Francisco has in a square mile. Chicago is a great mix of clean, urbanized, and affordable, and has a skyline that should give San Franciscans penis envy.

Also: the violence thing is overstated. I felt less safe in San Francisco because the violence isn't segregated. You get accousted by oddly aggressive homeless people. In Chicago, the gang violence happens on the south side, where you never need to be. Also, even then its mostly gang-on-gang. If you're not in a gang, and aren't a racial minority, you have no more to worry about than anywhere else.

Durham isn't actually all that safe (I lived in ATL for a long time). There is a big drug trade through there. The per capita murder rate is double that of NYC (though half of Chicago). But unlike Chicago it isn't segregated.

since when is san francisco full of hipsters? the tech nerds have priced the hipsters out of SF at this point. you must be thinking of oakland.

and SF does not have any more "sanctimonious liberals" (lol) than NYC. again, you must be thinking of oakland (or berkeley).

i will say, though, that women in new york tend to be more attractive than women in the bay area, even if there's way too much plastic surgery going on in NYC.

Definitely better looking women in NY, but the shortage of women in SF thing is a myth. There are more single, straight women than single, straight men in San Francisco. The gay population skews things, but that shouldn't matter if you're a straight guy looking for straight women.

[Tiago Splitter]

Also, I get the feeling at Duke that the Big Law numbers were inflated by students with ties going to smaller markets throughout the South and the rest of the country. They sell it as "Duke grads go everywhere," but I personally interpret that as "Duke does not place grads particularly well in any market." Without ties to any secondary markets, especially in the South, it may be a more risky choice than the numbers let on.

I'd view this as a plus. Most of the big NYC firms are coming to Duke's OCI, and limited interest among an already small class makes NYC biglaw nearly automatic among those who gun for it. Similar story at NU I'm sure.

[BigBlackTruck]

Durham has a higher property crime rate, but it's violent crime rate (per 1000 ppl) is 7 compared to 9 for NYC and 10 for Chicago.