Class of 2012 Employment Data Forum
- Bronck

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CLS and UChi are being really slow and I'm very curious to see their numbers...!
- iMisto

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Very happy to see these numbers from Cornell. 
- twinkletoes16

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Come on, berk. Release those numbers. Let them be good.
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chipchip

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Just saying, to call working at a small firm or business or academic or a non-fed clerkship, to be "under/unemployed" is a bit presumptuous. Some people may have wanted to go into that route (I know at least 4 or 5 from GULC), some people (such as internationals) are not eligible for AIII clerkships but are eligible for state ones (I know of at least 1 from Mich.), and some people wanted to be in academia and got their chance. 100+ firms/AIII clerkships are not the holy grail for everyone.
My .02 cents.
My .02 cents.
- Bronck

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We know. It's already been discussed here (and elsewhere). The graphs intentionally paint a conservative picture of employment because of the difficulty of judging the other categories.chipchip wrote:Just saying, to call working at a small firm or business or academic or a non-fed clerkship, to be "under/unemployed" is a bit presumptuous. Some people may have wanted to go into that route (I know at least 4 or 5 from GULC), some people (such as internationals) are not eligible for AIII clerkships but are eligible for state ones (I know of at least 1 from Mich.), and some people wanted to be in academia and got their chance. 100+ firms/AIII clerkships are not the holy grail for everyone.
My .02 cents.
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- longlivetheking

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but for the interest of compiling a credible source of information for desirable outcomes we have to basically assume those outcomes are shit.
- lever1je

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Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)
http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf
http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf
- Bronck

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Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)
http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf
- togepi

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That one guy at the 500+ firm, lol. The .01%Bronck wrote:Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)
http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf
- ph5354a

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Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?
- RetakeFrenzy

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togepi wrote:That one guy at the 500+ firm, lol. The .01%Bronck wrote:Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)
http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf
- Aberzombie1892

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Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?
- ph5354a

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Yup, you're rightAberzombie1892 wrote:Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?
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andythefir

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The funniest part of Cooley's numbers are the school funded part time non-professional positions. Do they take on unemployed students as janitors?
- WhiteyCakes

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Bronck wrote:CLS and UChi are being really slow and I'm very curious to see their numbers...!
- Rahviveh

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There's no reason to think they can't. Cornell was placing 70%+ before the crash. It won't ever get back to that point, but Cornell can place just as well as peer schools ITE.ph5354a wrote:Yup, you're rightAberzombie1892 wrote:Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?This still seems to be a significant jump for Cornell. I hope they can sustain it.
And Cornell wasn't unique in being under 50% last year IIRC (firms + A3). C/o 2011 was rock bottom.
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M458

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It's also a small class size, so small bumps in placement in terms of numbers can affect their percentages significantly.ChampagnePapi wrote:There's no reason to think they can't. Cornell was placing 70%+ before the crash. It won't ever get back to that point, but Cornell can place just as well as peer schools ITE.ph5354a wrote:Yup, you're rightAberzombie1892 wrote:Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?This still seems to be a significant jump for Cornell. I hope they can sustain it.
And Cornell wasn't unique in being under 50% last year IIRC (firms + A3). C/o 2011 was rock bottom.
- Rahviveh

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BU Law:
100+ firms: 74/273
Fed Clerks: 13/273
Total: 31.9%
27/273 on school-funded positions
100+ firms: 74/273
Fed Clerks: 13/273
Total: 31.9%
27/273 on school-funded positions
- Lavitz

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+1iMisto wrote:Very happy to see these numbers from Cornell.
- Rahviveh

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UC Hastings:
100+ Firms - 59/443
Fed Clerks - 9/443
Total: 15.3%
BTW They got a really detailed breakdown on their site, very interesting breaking down biz and PI jobs:
http://www.uchastings.edu/career-office ... 2Stats.pdf
7 people working in-house, 7 people in consulting, etc etc
100+ Firms - 59/443
Fed Clerks - 9/443
Total: 15.3%
BTW They got a really detailed breakdown on their site, very interesting breaking down biz and PI jobs:
http://www.uchastings.edu/career-office ... 2Stats.pdf
7 people working in-house, 7 people in consulting, etc etc
- Rahviveh

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Also, just eyeballing it, it doesn't seem like the employment situation is improving much at most law schools. The top schools are seeing a rebound in biglaw hiring, but the BR/FT% outside the top schools is still very low. Hastings is at 50%
I guess we will know for sure once LST updates.
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SportsFan

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Yeah, seems like biglaw did well but pretty much everything else is still struggling a bit.ChampagnePapi wrote:Also, just eyeballing it, it doesn't seem like the employment situation is improving much at most law schools. The top schools are seeing a rebound in biglaw hiring, but the BR/FT% outside the top schools is still very low. Hastings is at 50%I guess we will know for sure once LST updates.
- Rahviveh

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Wow I didn't realize W&L has only 130 students
100+: 14/130
Fed clerk: 6/130
total: 15.4%
100+: 14/130
Fed clerk: 6/130
total: 15.4%
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colonelnerd

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Wow, big jump for BU: ~22% to ~32%
Dying to see BC's numbers; hope they have a proportionate jump.
Dying to see BC's numbers; hope they have a proportionate jump.
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Real Madrid

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CLS, Chicago, Boalt and NU are taking a while. Wonder if that means anything other than them just being slow. 