Detailed Employment Stats Forum

[icpb]

http://www.law.stanford.edu/experience/ ... tatistics/

Am I reading this right? Stanford's A3 clerkship placement has reached 28%? This is insane! It surpasses Yale's 27% A3 rate.

Maybe I'm just reading the data wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me.

The pie chart says 23% of Stanford students got clerkships, but the chart below says 23 got COA and 27 got District Court. With 174 total graduates, that's 28.7%.

Is it possible that a few people may have been hired for 2 consecutive clerkships and that there's some double-counting?

Also, does anybody have any info about Harvard?

Yeah it's most likely counting people doing clerkships two years in a row.

The graph may be dated, since it's the exact same graph as the one for the Class of 2008.

[bdubs]

http://www.law.stanford.edu/experience/ ... tatistics/

Am I reading this right? Stanford's A3 clerkship placement has reached 28%? This is insane! It surpasses Yale's 27% A3 rate.

Maybe I'm just reading the data wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me.

The pie chart says 23% of Stanford students got clerkships, but the chart below says 23 got COA and 27 got District Court. With 174 total graduates, that's 28.7%.

Lots of schools include alumni in their clerkship figures. I'm guessing that this is where the discrepancy is coming from.

[abacus]

http://www.law.stanford.edu/experience/ ... tatistics/

Am I reading this right? Stanford's A3 clerkship placement has reached 28%? This is insane! It surpasses Yale's 27% A3 rate.

Maybe I'm just reading the data wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me.

The pie chart says 23% of Stanford students got clerkships, but the chart below says 23 got COA and 27 got District Court. With 174 total graduates, that's 28.7%.

Lots of schools include alumni in their clerkship figures. I'm guessing that this is where the discrepancy is coming from.

Nope, the alumni figures are in a separate column in the graph.

[Tiago Splitter]

http://www.law.stanford.edu/experience/ ... tatistics/

Am I reading this right? Stanford's A3 clerkship placement has reached 28%? This is insane! It surpasses Yale's 27% A3 rate.

Maybe I'm just reading the data wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me.

The pie chart says 23% of Stanford students got clerkships, but the chart below says 23 got COA and 27 got District Court. With 174 total graduates, that's 28.7%.

Lots of schools include alumni in their clerkship figures. I'm guessing that this is where the discrepancy is coming from.

Nope, the alumni figures are in a separate column in the graph.

It's probably double counting people who will do a district clerkship this coming year and then do an appeals court clerkship the next year.

[JusticeHarlan]

It's probably double counting people who will do a district clerkship this coming year and then do an appeals court clerkship the next year.

But then it's lying, because it's labeled as "Clerkships Starting in 2010." If someone was doing a COA the next year, it shouldn't be on the chart.

I'm pretty sure icpb is right, they just slapped on 2008's pie chart for 2010 without updating the numbers.

[PriOSky]

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[twistedwrister]

Harvard

http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/care ... index.html

Took a hit in 2010 (like everyone else).

[twistedwrister]

GULC

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/career/em ... istics.htm

[iamrobk]

GULC

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/career/em ... istics.htm

Jeez, those are not looking too good. From 75% at law firms in 2008 to 51% in 2010. Wow.

[Mr. Somebody]

GULC

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/career/em ... istics.htm

Jeez, those are not looking too good. From 75% at law firms in 2008 to 51% in 2010. Wow.

Also 10% of grads in school sponsored jobs, 66 students. Is it just me or is that really high? How does that compare to other t14s?

[Bronck]

GULC

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/career/em ... istics.htm

Jeez, those are not looking too good. From 75% at law firms in 2008 to 51% in 2010. Wow.

Also 10% of grads in school sponsored jobs, 66 students. Is it just me or is that really high? How does that compare to other t14s?

Yeah, that's really high. Off the top of my head, I know that UVA was close to 11% for c/o 2011.

[sunynp]

Regarding biglaw at Georgetown in 2010-there are almost exactly 100 fewer grads at firms of 501+ people; 20 fewer at firms of 251-500; 27 fewer at firms from 250-101. That is a difference of 147 people placed in biglaw size firms comparing 2010 to 2008. That works out to about 22% of the class of 2010 --which had 647 graduates-- didn't get the same level of firm jobs as the class of 2008. (Not to mention, geez, almost 650 grads plus about 500 from GW = they are graduating enough people to each create a 500 person firm every year. No wonder DC is so overcrowded.)

It looks like Georgetown is school sponsoring the same ~10% of grads as UVA, it is just that the class size is huge.

I hope these detailed employment stats start filtering through so applicants start to have a better appreciation of the job market.

[iamrobk]

Have any other T14's released information about the school sponsored jobs? Curious if it's gotten that high at other ones, or if it's just UVA and Georgetown that have so many.

[Bronck]

Have any other T14's released information about the school sponsored jobs? Curious if it's gotten that high at other ones, or if it's just UVA and Georgetown that have so many.

I believe NU did as well. IIRC, theirs was listed at roughly 3%. But, a somewhat alarming stat: the percent of jobs that required a JD was down to ~83% for NU

[PriOSky]

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[r6_philly]

Harvard

http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/care ... index.html

Took a hit in 2010 (like everyone else).

The numbers of students in the graduating classes are 589, 567, and 590, but each JD class has about 560 students. The reported numbers include all JD students as well as some non-JD students right? If so, which kinds of non-JD students are included?

How do you know it's 560?

[Tiago Splitter]

Harvard

http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/care ... index.html

Took a hit in 2010 (like everyone else).

The numbers of students in the graduating classes are 589, 567, and 590, but each JD class has about 560 students. The reported numbers include all JD students as well as some non-JD students right? If so, which kinds of non-JD students are included?

They try to keep the 1L class at 560, but take on quite a few transfers each year.

[PriOSky]

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[Mr. Somebody]

Is there any data on salary figures for law firms with 100-250 lawyers? some of these schools only have stats for firms with 100+ lawyers

[iamrobk]

Is there any data on salary figures for law firms with 100-250 lawyers? some of these schools only have stats for firms with 100+ lawyers

Penn has it for those firms.
101-250 $160,000 $160,000 $160,000 $156,000 (25th, median, 75th, mean)

[emptyflare]

Looks like Notre Dame updated the employment data available on its career services website: --LinkRemoved-- (says updated last Feb. 13, 2012)

[TTRansfer]

Regarding biglaw at Georgetown in 2010-there are almost exactly 100 fewer grads at firms of 501+ people; 20 fewer at firms of 251-500; 27 fewer at firms from 250-101. That is a difference of 147 people placed in biglaw size firms comparing 2010 to 2008. That works out to about 22% of the class of 2010 --which had 647 graduates-- didn't get the same level of firm jobs as the class of 2008. (Not to mention, geez, almost 650 grads plus about 500 from GW = they are graduating enough people to each create a 500 person firm every year. No wonder DC is so overcrowded.)

It looks like Georgetown is school sponsoring the same ~10% of grads as UVA, it is just that the class size is huge.

I hope these detailed employment stats start filtering through so applicants start to have a better appreciation of the job market.

So, essentially, if you aren't in the top 50%, you are fucked at Georgetown. Makes sense.

[izy223]

Regarding biglaw at Georgetown in 2010-there are almost exactly 100 fewer grads at firms of 501+ people; 20 fewer at firms of 251-500; 27 fewer at firms from 250-101. That is a difference of 147 people placed in biglaw size firms comparing 2010 to 2008. That works out to about 22% of the class of 2010 --which had 647 graduates-- didn't get the same level of firm jobs as the class of 2008. (Not to mention, geez, almost 650 grads plus about 500 from GW = they are graduating enough people to each create a 500 person firm every year. No wonder DC is so overcrowded.)

It looks like Georgetown is school sponsoring the same ~10% of grads as UVA, it is just that the class size is huge.

I hope these detailed employment stats start filtering through so applicants start to have a better appreciation of the job market.

So, essentially, if you aren't in the top 50%, you are fucked at Georgetown. Makes sense.

i would say its even worse only 208 people reported being in jobs of 501 lawyer or more thats 32 percent of the class add in clerckships and your at 42 percent... you really need to be in the top 40 percent of your class for a secured job anything else (you can get one in top 50 but you can also get one in top 60 or 70) and its up to your interviewing skills and softs

[Kurst]

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[bbalcrzy23]

Regarding biglaw at Georgetown in 2010-there are almost exactly 100 fewer grads at firms of 501+ people; 20 fewer at firms of 251-500; 27 fewer at firms from 250-101. That is a difference of 147 people placed in biglaw size firms comparing 2010 to 2008. That works out to about 22% of the class of 2010 --which had 647 graduates-- didn't get the same level of firm jobs as the class of 2008. (Not to mention, geez, almost 650 grads plus about 500 from GW = they are graduating enough people to each create a 500 person firm every year. No wonder DC is so overcrowded.)

It looks like Georgetown is school sponsoring the same ~10% of grads as UVA, it is just that the class size is huge.

I hope these detailed employment stats start filtering through so applicants start to have a better appreciation of the job market.

So, essentially, if you aren't in the top 50%, you are fucked at Georgetown. Makes sense.

i would say its even worse only 208 people reported being in jobs of 501 lawyer or more thats 32 percent of the class add in clerckships and your at 42 percent... you really need to be in the top 40 percent of your class for a secured job anything else (you can get one in top 50 but you can also get one in top 60 or 70) and its up to your interviewing skills and softs

Do all 501+ pay market rate?
How many 251-500 pay market rate?
How many 101-250 pay market rate?