The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anyone have any luck with late night studying? Sometimes I just feel like I have a bunch of energy at night, plus it is quiet around the house. I have always been quite the night owl and end up staying awake until 4-5am most nights. I figure at least this way I'll be doing something productive. Perhaps getting an extra hour in may be the difference in a couple points by the time I write the test in September.

Just to add: I also study during the day, usually from 9am till lunch. Then from about 2pm-4:30pm I usually take about an hour and a half between 12-1:30 to eat lunch, read news, and go for a run. So I average a total of ~5 hours a day.

Wondering what some pros and cons may be? I probably wouldn't do anything major, perhaps review? Read some prep material out of Trainer, and maybe drill a bit. No practice tests or anything.

Thanks in advanced

I usually stay up pretty late (like now) but I'm slowly scaling back the time I go to sleep so that I can go to sleep around 10 and wake up at 6 for the summer. this is better for me since I'm a lot more productive in the day (plus I'll be ready to wake up early the day of the exam ) I think a con of staying up late is it might mess you up if you don't adjust to going to sleep and waking up early before exam time comes.

You're 100% right proteinshake. I feel like my sleep schedule is messed up due partly to insomnia I've had since a child, and staying up till the sun beings to rise--mostly a bad undergrad habit. I think it may be better to try to work on going to sleep at a better time. I probably do study better during the day, so maybe it would be better to get better sleep, study harder during the day, i.e., wake up and begin studying at 8am.

Thanks! Now to find out how the hell to ever sleep anymore lol

I always battled over this lol. I tend to be a night owl and in college I would study all night. I loved having no distractions and could grind all night. I realized this sleep schedule just wasn't all that conducive for everyday life so decided to switch to getting up early and studying during the day.

You will slowly get the hang of it, but its much better. Also I get in a full day of studying, so if some friends want to do something at night, I don't feel guilty or automatically say I can't go because I hadn't started studying yet.

[20170322]

Slowly recovering from the disappointment of the last test. Gonna to a post-mortem on it tomorrow, keep drilling through Friday, then take another PT Saturday. Hoping I can get back to the 170's soon.

[Barack O'Drama]

Anyone have any luck with late night studying? Sometimes I just feel like I have a bunch of energy at night, plus it is quiet around the house. I have always been quite the night owl and end up staying awake until 4-5am most nights. I figure at least this way I'll be doing something productive. Perhaps getting an extra hour in may be the difference in a couple points by the time I write the test in September.

Just to add: I also study during the day, usually from 9am till lunch. Then from about 2pm-4:30pm I usually take about an hour and a half between 12-1:30 to eat lunch, read news, and go for a run. So I average a total of ~5 hours a day.

Wondering what some pros and cons may be? I probably wouldn't do anything major, perhaps review? Read some prep material out of Trainer, and maybe drill a bit. No practice tests or anything.

Thanks in advanced

I usually stay up pretty late (like now) but I'm slowly scaling back the time I go to sleep so that I can go to sleep around 10 and wake up at 6 for the summer. this is better for me since I'm a lot more productive in the day (plus I'll be ready to wake up early the day of the exam ) I think a con of staying up late is it might mess you up if you don't adjust to going to sleep and waking up early before exam time comes.

You're 100% right proteinshake. I feel like my sleep schedule is messed up due partly to insomnia I've had since a child, and staying up till the sun beings to rise--mostly a bad undergrad habit. I think it may be better to try to work on going to sleep at a better time. I probably do study better during the day, so maybe it would be better to get better sleep, study harder during the day, i.e., wake up and begin studying at 8am.

Thanks! Now to find out how the hell to ever sleep anymore lol

I always battled over this lol. I tend to be a night owl and in college I would study all night. I loved having no distractions and could grind all night. I realized this sleep schedule just wasn't all that conducive for everyday life so decided to switch to getting up early and studying during the day.

You will slowly get the hang of it, but its much better. Also I get in a full day of studying, so if some friends want to do something at night, I don't feel guilty or automatically say I can't go because I hadn't started studying yet.

Ahhh this tips the scales for me! It does certainly seem better to get in a full day of studying and take the nights to do something fun. I think it may burn me out trying to do more at night. Plus, as you stated, it would give me the freedom to do something fun with friends, which I have been neglecting. Thanks Jagerbom!

[Barack O'Drama]

Slowly recovering from the disappointment of the last test. Gonna to a post-mortem on it tomorrow, keep drilling through Friday, then take another PT Saturday. Hoping I can get back to the 170's soon.

Scoring in the 170s is never just solely because of luck. You know what you're doing and you're doing it well. There is always going to be 3 or so problems on a test that you can never be 100% sure of and all you can do it keep going! Other variables definitely matter, but you have to take care of yourself first and foremost. Congrats on getting into the 170s. I'm still trying to get into the 160s haha

[20170322]

Slowly recovering from the disappointment of the last test. Gonna to a post-mortem on it tomorrow, keep drilling through Friday, then take another PT Saturday. Hoping I can get back to the 170's soon.

Scoring in the 170s is never just solely because of luck. You know what you're doing and you're doing it well. There is always going to be 3 or so problems on a test that you can never be 100% sure of and all you can do it keep going! Other variables definitely matter, but you have to take care of yourself first and foremost. Congrats on getting into the 170s. I'm still trying to get into the 160s haha

When I BR'ed the Logic Games, I got 4 correct that I originally missed. So, even if I just fix LG, I can get back to the low 170's. The high 170's, on the other hand, will be a tougher nut to crack.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anyone have any luck with late night studying? Sometimes I just feel like I have a bunch of energy at night, plus it is quiet around the house. I have always been quite the night owl and end up staying awake until 4-5am most nights. I figure at least this way I'll be doing something productive. Perhaps getting an extra hour in may be the difference in a couple points by the time I write the test in September.

Just to add: I also study during the day, usually from 9am till lunch. Then from about 2pm-4:30pm I usually take about an hour and a half between 12-1:30 to eat lunch, read news, and go for a run. So I average a total of ~5 hours a day.

Wondering what some pros and cons may be? I probably wouldn't do anything major, perhaps review? Read some prep material out of Trainer, and maybe drill a bit. No practice tests or anything.

Thanks in advanced

I usually stay up pretty late (like now) but I'm slowly scaling back the time I go to sleep so that I can go to sleep around 10 and wake up at 6 for the summer. this is better for me since I'm a lot more productive in the day (plus I'll be ready to wake up early the day of the exam ) I think a con of staying up late is it might mess you up if you don't adjust to going to sleep and waking up early before exam time comes.

You're 100% right proteinshake. I feel like my sleep schedule is messed up due partly to insomnia I've had since a child, and staying up till the sun beings to rise--mostly a bad undergrad habit. I think it may be better to try to work on going to sleep at a better time. I probably do study better during the day, so maybe it would be better to get better sleep, study harder during the day, i.e., wake up and begin studying at 8am.

Thanks! Now to find out how the hell to ever sleep anymore lol

I always battled over this lol. I tend to be a night owl and in college I would study all night. I loved having no distractions and could grind all night. I realized this sleep schedule just wasn't all that conducive for everyday life so decided to switch to getting up early and studying during the day.

You will slowly get the hang of it, but its much better. Also I get in a full day of studying, so if some friends want to do something at night, I don't feel guilty or automatically say I can't go because I hadn't started studying yet.

Ahhh this tips the scales for me! It does certainly seem better to get in a full day of studying and take the nights to do something fun. I think it may burn me out trying to do more at night. Plus, as you stated, it would give me the freedom to do something fun with friends, which I have been neglecting. Thanks Jagerbom!

No problem! Its taken me a bit to get used to it and wake my mind up early in the morning, but its been a great change. Even though, most nights I stay in and study more, watch some tv/read or get to bed early, having that bit of freedom keeps my mind at ease. I felt like when I would study to 5-6 AM wake up at 12/1 I was stressed that even working out was too much time taken away from my day of studying and it was like I was a slave to studying. Now, im more productive because it's more of a chill schedule.

[Barack O'Drama]

Slowly recovering from the disappointment of the last test. Gonna to a post-mortem on it tomorrow, keep drilling through Friday, then take another PT Saturday. Hoping I can get back to the 170's soon.

Scoring in the 170s is never just solely because of luck. You know what you're doing and you're doing it well. There is always going to be 3 or so problems on a test that you can never be 100% sure of and all you can do it keep going! Other variables definitely matter, but you have to take care of yourself first and foremost. Congrats on getting into the 170s. I'm still trying to get into the 160s haha

When I BR'ed the Logic Games, I got 4 correct that I originally missed. So, even if I just fix LG, I can get back to the low 170's. The high 170's, on the other hand, will be a tougher nut to crack.

That is still pretty amazing! And if you BR'd it then perhaps there were other factors. Certainly rectifiable ones at that. Getting into the high 170's is definitely a challenge, but you already have the most important pre-requisite; getting into the low 170s

[Barack O'Drama]

Anyone have any luck with late night studying? Sometimes I just feel like I have a bunch of energy at night, plus it is quiet around the house. I have always been quite the night owl and end up staying awake until 4-5am most nights. I figure at least this way I'll be doing something productive. Perhaps getting an extra hour in may be the difference in a couple points by the time I write the test in September.

Just to add: I also study during the day, usually from 9am till lunch. Then from about 2pm-4:30pm I usually take about an hour and a half between 12-1:30 to eat lunch, read news, and go for a run. So I average a total of ~5 hours a day.

Wondering what some pros and cons may be? I probably wouldn't do anything major, perhaps review? Read some prep material out of Trainer, and maybe drill a bit. No practice tests or anything.

Thanks in advanced

I usually stay up pretty late (like now) but I'm slowly scaling back the time I go to sleep so that I can go to sleep around 10 and wake up at 6 for the summer. this is better for me since I'm a lot more productive in the day (plus I'll be ready to wake up early the day of the exam ) I think a con of staying up late is it might mess you up if you don't adjust to going to sleep and waking up early before exam time comes.

You're 100% right proteinshake. I feel like my sleep schedule is messed up due partly to insomnia I've had since a child, and staying up till the sun beings to rise--mostly a bad undergrad habit. I think it may be better to try to work on going to sleep at a better time. I probably do study better during the day, so maybe it would be better to get better sleep, study harder during the day, i.e., wake up and begin studying at 8am.

Thanks! Now to find out how the hell to ever sleep anymore lol

I always battled over this lol. I tend to be a night owl and in college I would study all night. I loved having no distractions and could grind all night. I realized this sleep schedule just wasn't all that conducive for everyday life so decided to switch to getting up early and studying during the day.

You will slowly get the hang of it, but its much better. Also I get in a full day of studying, so if some friends want to do something at night, I don't feel guilty or automatically say I can't go because I hadn't started studying yet.

Ahhh this tips the scales for me! It does certainly seem better to get in a full day of studying and take the nights to do something fun. I think it may burn me out trying to do more at night. Plus, as you stated, it would give me the freedom to do something fun with friends, which I have been neglecting. Thanks Jagerbom!

No problem! Its taken me a bit to get used to it and wake my mind up early in the morning, but its been a great change. Even though, most nights I stay in and study more, watch some tv/read or get to bed early, having that bit of freedom keeps my mind at ease. I felt like when I would study to 5-6 AM wake up at 12/1 I was stressed that even working out was too much time taken away from my day of studying and it was like I was a slave to studying. Now, im more productive because it's more of a chill schedule.

Ugh, I definitely know how it feels to be a slave to studying. And waking up later does make me considerably more stressed. I think you're 100% correct. I need to like stay up for 2 days straight and reset my sleep cycle. I would love to be waking up at the same time I am going to bed haha

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anyone have any luck with late night studying? Sometimes I just feel like I have a bunch of energy at night, plus it is quiet around the house. I have always been quite the night owl and end up staying awake until 4-5am most nights. I figure at least this way I'll be doing something productive. Perhaps getting an extra hour in may be the difference in a couple points by the time I write the test in September.

Just to add: I also study during the day, usually from 9am till lunch. Then from about 2pm-4:30pm I usually take about an hour and a half between 12-1:30 to eat lunch, read news, and go for a run. So I average a total of ~5 hours a day.

Wondering what some pros and cons may be? I probably wouldn't do anything major, perhaps review? Read some prep material out of Trainer, and maybe drill a bit. No practice tests or anything.

Thanks in advanced

I usually stay up pretty late (like now) but I'm slowly scaling back the time I go to sleep so that I can go to sleep around 10 and wake up at 6 for the summer. this is better for me since I'm a lot more productive in the day (plus I'll be ready to wake up early the day of the exam ) I think a con of staying up late is it might mess you up if you don't adjust to going to sleep and waking up early before exam time comes.

You're 100% right proteinshake. I feel like my sleep schedule is messed up due partly to insomnia I've had since a child, and staying up till the sun beings to rise--mostly a bad undergrad habit. I think it may be better to try to work on going to sleep at a better time. I probably do study better during the day, so maybe it would be better to get better sleep, study harder during the day, i.e., wake up and begin studying at 8am.

Thanks! Now to find out how the hell to ever sleep anymore lol

I always battled over this lol. I tend to be a night owl and in college I would study all night. I loved having no distractions and could grind all night. I realized this sleep schedule just wasn't all that conducive for everyday life so decided to switch to getting up early and studying during the day.

You will slowly get the hang of it, but its much better. Also I get in a full day of studying, so if some friends want to do something at night, I don't feel guilty or automatically say I can't go because I hadn't started studying yet.

Ahhh this tips the scales for me! It does certainly seem better to get in a full day of studying and take the nights to do something fun. I think it may burn me out trying to do more at night. Plus, as you stated, it would give me the freedom to do something fun with friends, which I have been neglecting. Thanks Jagerbom!

No problem! Its taken me a bit to get used to it and wake my mind up early in the morning, but its been a great change. Even though, most nights I stay in and study more, watch some tv/read or get to bed early, having that bit of freedom keeps my mind at ease. I felt like when I would study to 5-6 AM wake up at 12/1 I was stressed that even working out was too much time taken away from my day of studying and it was like I was a slave to studying. Now, im more productive because it's more of a chill schedule.

Ugh, I definitely know how it feels to be a slave to studying. And waking up later does make me considerably more stressed. I think you're 100% correct. I need to like stay up for 2 days straight and reset my sleep cycle. I would love to be waking up at the same time I am going to bed haha

Haha I feel you. First week will be super tough, but you will figure it out! I thoroughly enjoy sleeping so it was extra tough for me too haha

[20170322]

Lol, just met someone in a coffeeshop who clerked for SCOTUS. If that isn't motivation to study, I don't know what is.

[Mikey]

Lol, just met someone in a coffeeshop who clerked for SCOTUS. If that isn't motivation to study, I don't know what is.

Damn that's dope!

[CoGar]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later






Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

[Barack O'Drama]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later






Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

Keep grinding! I know a girl last year whose diagnostic was at low 150s and within 3 months she was able to score a 163. And honestly, she wasn't that dedicated. So I think with almost 4 months of dedication, you will be able to reach 170. It will be tough, but consistency and hard work will be key.

What study materials are you thinking of using?

[CoGar]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later



Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

Keep grinding! I know a girl last year whose diagnostic was at low 150s and within 3 months she was able to score a 163. And honestly, she wasn't that dedicated. So I think with almost 4 months of dedication, you will be able to reach 170. It will be tough, but consistency and hard work will be key.

What study materials are you thinking of using?

Thanks alot. Right now i'm pretty much exclusively in the LSAT Trainer. The diagnostic was the June 07 LSAT available on LSAC website. I have LG Bible on its way and heavily considering taking TestMasters in person course from July-September.

Right now i'm preet

[CoGar]

Hey everyone

Would anyone mind sharing any "ah-ha moments" they may have had that help clear up or conceptualize a certain section? I'm still early on in the studying process and at the point where i'm not even 100% sure what each section is attempting to test.... Thank you in advanced

[34iplaw]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later



Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

Keep grinding! I know a girl last year whose diagnostic was at low 150s and within 3 months she was able to score a 163. And honestly, she wasn't that dedicated. So I think with almost 4 months of dedication, you will be able to reach 170. It will be tough, but consistency and hard work will be key.

What study materials are you thinking of using?

Thanks alot. Right now i'm pretty much exclusively in the LSAT Trainer. The diagnostic was the June 07 LSAT available on LSAC website. I have LG Bible on its way and heavily considering taking TestMasters in person course from July-September.

Right now i'm preet

I'm considering doing a testmasters as well... my suggestion would be do not do one that goes straight through. Try to do an early summer class. Some have started [and others start in the next week or two], and it will provide you the month of August and/or September [all have diagnostics in the weeks leading up] to focus on problem areas, get a tutor, or whatever.

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey everyone

Would anyone mind sharing any "ah-ha moments" they may have had that help clear up or conceptualize a certain section? I'm still early on in the studying process and at the point where i'm not even 100% sure what each section is attempting to test.... Thank you in advanced

An Ah-ha moment I had regarding logical reasoning/ reading comprehension section happened to me a few days ago. I had always found myself reading the stimulus/passage almost neurotically. Checking and trying to remember every detail. Then all of the sudden I just realized: "There is no way the LSAC expects me to read and remember every detail on this timed test." This sort of let me feel comfortable reading for structure and not details. Now I am able to read stimuli and passages for just the main points and see past the fluff trying to distract you. I feel myself in a state of flow.

I think this just came from drilling hundreds of questions out of the Cambridge packets and doing a bunch of sections and BR. I have been studying for 3 weeks or so now, so I think this will develop for anyone who is consistent.

Another smaller ah-ha moment I had was trying to see the games section as fun. Yes, it is sort of stupid, but just lie to yourself. Make yourself believe it is truly a game you want to master. I haven't really gotten too far with the games, but I can diagram a lot better as a result of making it try to seem fun.

I think this is a great question and really looking forward to anything else people have!

[BlackCanary]

Hey everyone, just popping in to say hey. Been a couple years since I last took the LSAT, but I'll be applying this upcoming cycle so I thought I might as well take another crack at it.

Now I just need to ask for time off work to be able to travel to a country that offers it. So much more complicated when you're not in the states.

[34iplaw]

Another smaller ah-ha moment I had was trying to see the games section as fun. Yes, it is sort of stupid, but just lie to yourself. Make yourself believe it is truly a game you want to master. I haven't really gotten too far with the games, but I can diagram a lot better as a result of making it try to seem fun.

Games are fun! Except ones that are like 10 conditional rules. Those can be easy or just really flustering depending your state of mind.

I haven't really had too many yet. I think the biggest thing that I'm starting to see [in regards to games] is just being comfortable in picking an answer that I know is right and not wasting time checking the rest... and also recognizing inferences I've made that are worded slightly different.

Either way, I haven't missed a game question in quite some time, but I do need to work on speed. Very open to anyone that has any suggestions with that. I think it will likely just come as I start to focus on time rather than understanding the foundation.

[CoGar]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later



Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

Keep grinding! I know a girl last year whose diagnostic was at low 150s and within 3 months she was able to score a 163. And honestly, she wasn't that dedicated. So I think with almost 4 months of dedication, you will be able to reach 170. It will be tough, but consistency and hard work will be key.

What study materials are you thinking of using?

Thanks alot. Right now i'm pretty much exclusively in the LSAT Trainer. The diagnostic was the June 07 LSAT available on LSAC website. I have LG Bible on its way and heavily considering taking TestMasters in person course from July-September.

Right now i'm preet

I'm considering doing a testmasters as well... my suggestion would be do not do one that goes straight through. Try to do an early summer class. Some have started [and others start in the next week or two], and it will provide you the month of August and/or September [all have diagnostics in the weeks leading up] to focus on problem areas, get a tutor, or whatever.

Yeah from my understanding both the early and late summer course go right through. The early one just starts earlier and runs loner (July 7-Sept 24) opposed to early August - Sept 24. I seems the late summer would be a more compact class trying to fit in the whole early summer course but you do save about 500 bucks if im not mistaken

[34iplaw]

First diagnostic: 180
10 Actual LSAT's: all 180

Guess i'm done studying until September.....
See you all later



Just kidding 150 on my first diagnostic....would like to bring it up to 167-170 area.... already in a semi-panic with 3.5 months left

Good luck everyone

Keep grinding! I know a girl last year whose diagnostic was at low 150s and within 3 months she was able to score a 163. And honestly, she wasn't that dedicated. So I think with almost 4 months of dedication, you will be able to reach 170. It will be tough, but consistency and hard work will be key.

What study materials are you thinking of using?

Thanks alot. Right now i'm pretty much exclusively in the LSAT Trainer. The diagnostic was the June 07 LSAT available on LSAC website. I have LG Bible on its way and heavily considering taking TestMasters in person course from July-September.

Right now i'm preet

I'm considering doing a testmasters as well... my suggestion would be do not do one that goes straight through. Try to do an early summer class. Some have started [and others start in the next week or two], and it will provide you the month of August and/or September [all have diagnostics in the weeks leading up] to focus on problem areas, get a tutor, or whatever.

Yeah from my understanding both the early and late summer course go right through. The early one just starts earlier and runs loner (July 7-Sept 24) opposed to early August - Sept 24. I seems the late summer would be a more compact class trying to fit in the whole early summer course but you do save about 500 bucks if im not mistaken

The diagnostics do. There are only diagnostics and diagnostic reviews in September for most of the classes that start in June. Classes starting in July have actual lessons through the test.

[BlackCanary]

Just took my first pt in 2 years. Guess it's my new diagnostic. Low 160s. Have my work cut out for me, but eh.... don't have anything better to do all summer.

[Barack O'Drama]

Just took my first pt in 2 years. Guess it's my new diagnostic. Low 160s. Have my work cut out for me, but eh.... don't have anything better to do all summer.

Low 160s is a great place to be starting! Especially after 2 years. So congrats on that. I think with a good study plan and the right materials, you could be in the 170s club by September.

I wish I could break into the 160s at this point soon enough!

[BlackCanary]

Just took my first pt in 2 years. Guess it's my new diagnostic. Low 160s. Have my work cut out for me, but eh.... don't have anything better to do all summer.

Low 160s is a great place to be starting! Especially after 2 years. So congrats on that. I think with a good study plan and the right materials, you could be in the 170s club by September.

I wish I could break into the 160s at this point soon enough!

Thanks. I hope so, that's what I'm shooting for.

Practice, practice, practice. There's no way around it.
You have plenty of time before now and September to get there.

[Barack O'Drama]

Just took my first pt in 2 years. Guess it's my new diagnostic. Low 160s. Have my work cut out for me, but eh.... don't have anything better to do all summer.

Low 160s is a great place to be starting! Especially after 2 years. So congrats on that. I think with a good study plan and the right materials, you could be in the 170s club by September.

I wish I could break into the 160s at this point soon enough!

Thanks. I hope so, that's what I'm shooting for.

Practice, practice, practice. There's no way around it.
You have plenty of time before now and September to get there.

I appreciate the encouragement. How long did it take you to get into the 160s last time you took it? My diagnostic was in the low 150s.I have been studying almost everyday for 3 weeks and feel like I've improved at least a few points per section. So I'm thinking I should be able to hit the 160 mark eventually.