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Has anyone not reported redlight camera tickets to NCBE?

Lawworld19 wrote:Has anyone not reported redlight camera tickets to NCBE?

Best practice is to disclose and explain. If they are (or could appear) on your driving record it is far better to disclose a borderline meaningless thing then fail to disclose and have to explain why.

I'm probably mistaken, but how can a redlight camera ticket be added to your driving record if there's no way to confirm who was driving the vehicle at the time?

mmart207 wrote:I'm probably mistaken, but how can a redlight camera ticket be added to your driving record if there's no way to confirm who was driving the vehicle at the time?

I don't think this is an issue. As the above poster mentioned, there's no link b/w you and the red light ticket except that the vehicle is registered to you. I could have been driving your car and ran the light...

kc128 wrote:

mmart207 wrote:I'm probably mistaken, but how can a redlight camera ticket be added to your driving record if there's no way to confirm who was driving the vehicle at the time?

I don't think this is an issue. As the above poster mentioned, there's no link b/w you and the red light ticket except that the vehicle is registered to you. I could have been driving your car and ran the light...

Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

I am not a driver but why wouldn’t you disclose and explain if someone else was driving your car at that time?

mmart207 wrote: Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

Really? You think it would be hard to get location data from your cell phone? Combined with the fact it was en route to your school/employment? Or how about the fact the photo might in fact show your face.

As for "I see no reason", if being denied entry to the bar for lack of candor isn't good reason, I don't know what is. Honestly, it boggles my mind that someone would even consider non-disclosure given the potential downside.

Disclosing has no downside, while not disclosing has some conceivable potential downside. Seems like an easy decision.

albanach wrote:

mmart207 wrote: Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

Really? You think it would be hard to get location data from your cell phone? Combined with the fact it was en route to your school/employment? Or how about the fact the photo might in fact show your face.

As for "I see no reason", if being denied entry to the bar for lack of candor isn't good reason, I don't know what is. Honestly, it boggles my mind that someone would even consider non-disclosure given the potential downside.

Did the application specifically ask you to disclose traffic tickets? Almost none of the schools I applied to ask for that. At the end of the day I disclosed what needed to be disclosed for myself.

albanach wrote:

mmart207 wrote: Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

Really? You think it would be hard to get location data from your cell phone? Combined with the fact it was en route to your school/employment? Or how about the fact the photo might in fact show your face.

As for "I see no reason", if being denied entry to the bar for lack of candor isn't good reason, I don't know what is. Honestly, it boggles my mind that someone would even consider non-disclosure given the potential downside.

Furthermore, a redlight camera ticket includes a picture of the license plate only.

mmart207 wrote:

albanach wrote:

mmart207 wrote: Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

Really? You think it would be hard to get location data from your cell phone? Combined with the fact it was en route to your school/employment? Or how about the fact the photo might in fact show your face.

As for "I see no reason", if being denied entry to the bar for lack of candor isn't good reason, I don't know what is. Honestly, it boggles my mind that someone would even consider non-disclosure given the potential downside.

Furthermore, a redlight camera ticket includes a picture of the license plate only.

Are you sure? I have "seen" a camera speed ticket which clearly included the driver of the vehicle. A google search also shows that there is a closeup of the driver's face on the ticket. May be a little difficult to deny it is you when there is a full-sized picture of your mug sitting there behind the wheel.

Did you actually receive a ticket? In most (if not all) jurisdictions, you are required to be served a complaint "by a person over the age of 18" (bar tip). The notice received in the mail is, at least the ones I have seen, a "waiver of the right to service." If you fill out the form and send it in, then you waive service. If you do not, they have to serve you. This may vary between states, so check your local rules.

Either way, if in doubt, disclose it on your C&F app. Better safe than sorry.

mmart207 wrote:

albanach wrote:

mmart207 wrote: Thats exactly why I made the comment that I made... I see no reason in disclosing red light camera tickets since they can't be linked to you

Really? You think it would be hard to get location data from your cell phone? Combined with the fact it was en route to your school/employment? Or how about the fact the photo might in fact show your face.

As for "I see no reason", if being denied entry to the bar for lack of candor isn't good reason, I don't know what is. Honestly, it boggles my mind that someone would even consider non-disclosure given the potential downside.

Furthermore, a redlight camera ticket includes a picture of the license plate only.

The key here, from my perspective, is how the question is presented, if it specifically asks about moving violations then I think it is in your best interest to just disclose. If the question relates to criminal behavior outside of basic citations/tickets then there would be no need to disclose because that type of minor offense is not being requested.

As has been previously stated, disclosing has no downside that I can see (getting a ticket or two will not get your file flagged) but if for any reason this could be on a driving record than it MUST be disclosed, furthermore in the name of candor (assuming the question asks for such minor traffic offenses) then you owe a duty of candor.

mmart207 wrote: Did the application specifically ask you to disclose traffic tickets? Almost none of the schools I applied to ask for that. At the end of the day I disclosed what needed to be disclosed for myself.

OP asked about NCBE. Their sample question (so this could vary by state) asks:

21(B) Have you been cited for, charged with, or convicted of any moving traffic violation during the past ten years? (Omit parking violations.)

albanach wrote:

mmart207 wrote: Did the application specifically ask you to disclose traffic tickets? Almost none of the schools I applied to ask for that. At the end of the day I disclosed what needed to be disclosed for myself.

OP asked about NCBE. Their sample question (so this could vary by state) asks:

21(B) Have you been cited for, charged with, or convicted of any moving traffic violation during the past ten years? (Omit parking violations.)

A red-light citation is a moving violation (doesn’t matter if by camera or by police officer). Even if the question isn’t like above, just disclose and get it over with.

If you can get a hold of your driving record, do so. Everything you see, C & F will too. Basically, if it isn’t a parking ticket, disclose it.

My $.02