Summer Classes of 2022 Edition Forum

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

It's funny that people complain about anon abuse when the dumbest trolls are name accounts.

This. And this particular troll always sounds like an incel.

Can assure you I have better access to companionship than 99% of people — not everyone with a differing perspective is a fatally flawed monster — but that’s really beside the point. Can you take a break with anonymous flames?

[Anonymous User]

It's funny that people complain about anon abuse when the dumbest trolls are name accounts.

This. And this particular troll always sounds like an incel.

Can assure you I have better access to companionship than 99% of people — not everyone with a differing perspective is a fatally flawed monster — but that’s really beside the point. Can you take a break with anonymous flames?

I'm the anon who thought your comment was creepy and gross. I still think your comment was creepy and gross, despite the covid context. But I'm not going to draw the issue out ITT.

I didn't post either of the quoted above FWIW. Nothing against you personally, although I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the above anon comments in this particular context (I too thought -and still think- you were shitposting given how out-of-the-blue your OP was).

[Anonymous User]

It's funny that people complain about anon abuse when the dumbest trolls are name accounts.

This. And this particular troll always sounds like an incel.

Can assure you I have better access to companionship than 99% of people — not everyone with a differing perspective is a fatally flawed monster — but that’s really beside the point. Can you take a break with anonymous flames?

......better access to companionship? What does that even mean? The tone reminds me of the awful finance bros I knew who were deeply unattractive in every possible way but would buy their way into the pants of completely vapid but conventionally attractive women and so would consider themselves successful ladies men.

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

It's funny that people complain about anon abuse when the dumbest trolls are name accounts.

This. And this particular troll always sounds like an incel.

Can assure you I have better access to companionship than 99% of people — not everyone with a differing perspective is a fatally flawed monster — but that’s really beside the point. Can you take a break with anonymous flames?

......better access to companionship? What does that even mean? The tone reminds me of the awful finance bros I knew who were deeply unattractive in every possible way but would buy their way into the pants of completely vapid but conventionally attractive women and so would consider themselves successful ladies men.

It means its about as difficult for me to find a romantic partner in NYC, a city jam packed with single women, as it is for the quarterback at a big Texas high school or a Duke basketball benchwarmer.

[Anonymous User]

It's funny that people complain about anon abuse when the dumbest trolls are name accounts.

This. And this particular troll always sounds like an incel.

Can assure you I have better access to companionship than 99% of people — not everyone with a differing perspective is a fatally flawed monster — but that’s really beside the point. Can you take a break with anonymous flames?

......better access to companionship? What does that even mean? The tone reminds me of the awful finance bros I knew who were deeply unattractive in every possible way but would buy their way into the pants of completely vapid but conventionally attractive women and so would consider themselves successful ladies men.

It means its about as difficult for me to find a romantic partner in NYC, a city jam packed with single women, as it is for the quarterback at a big Texas high school or a Duke basketball benchwarmer.

IMO this is an underrated reason to pick NY over other markets. Compared to Chi/TX, and massively moreso than SF/SV, the dating pool for 20-something men is insanely good.

[Anonymous User]

IMO this is an underrated reason to pick NY over other markets. Compared to Chi/TX, and massively moreso than SF/SV, the dating pool for 20-something men is insanely good.

Is it, though? I have not found many people in NY I would want to date/marry, usually because of values differences and/or priorities. Obviously this differs on the individual.

[Anonymous User]

Criticizing a compliment on looks for being "gross" is a definitive zoomer thing. There's really more than enough of the enforcement of social norms coming from that particular group - law school isn't the real world.

[Anonymous User]

Criticizing a compliment on looks for being "gross" is a definitive zoomer thing. There's really more than enough of the enforcement of social norms coming from that particular group - law school isn't the real world.

I trued to match this comment with an equally lazy and useless one, but I just couldn't quite get there.

[Anonymous User]

IMO this is an underrated reason to pick NY over other markets. Compared to Chi/TX, and massively moreso than SF/SV, the dating pool for 20-something men is insanely good.

Is it, though? I have not found many people in NY I would want to date/marry, usually because of values differences and/or priorities. Obviously this differs on the individual.

Yeah it depends on your priorities, but the NYC professional class’s norm of exceptionally late marriage, even compared to other major cities, reflects differences in values and life plans versus most of the rest of the country. It’s a huge city, with lots of different people with different priorities, but there’s a reason that it’s a common complaint there (especially among women it seems) that it’s hard to find people interested in serious relationships.

[jotarokujo]

Criticizing a compliment on looks for being "gross" is a definitive zoomer thing. There's really more than enough of the enforcement of social norms coming from that particular group - law school isn't the real world.

i dont understand the hatred of law school. i liked law school. i like my job too but i also liked law school

[Anonymous User]

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Anyone have Milbank?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have SullCrom, Cravath, or Wachtell

[Anonymous User]

why did nobody want to participate this year?

[Anonymous User]

why did nobody want to participate this year?

Too busy having fun with summer dinners and social events, unlike the last two years...

[Anonymous User]

why did nobody want to participate this year?

Too busy having fun with summer dinners and social events, unlike the last two years...

Not much loss as most of the important firms have been posted. Will +1 re: the request for Wachtell (are summer classes usually posted?), CSM, and S&C's classes though.

[Anonymous User]

A lot of these posts are really, really off base. They purport to reflect elite perspectives but clearly are written by folks who are anything but.

Most HLS students could not have obtained admission to an Ivy undergrad. At the same time, most Harvard College students couldn’t swing a 173 or 174 if their lives depended on it, even if daddy hired an army of tutors. Apples and oranges.

As for the kid saying he never heard of certain firms while he was a banking analyst — who cares? Law firms operate in a highly discreet manner. They don’t make front page news for crashing the economy or stealing from Stormy Daniels. It totally makes sense that 22 year old kids — yes, even our highly sophisticated 22 year old friends in financial services — would not have heard of most top biglaw firms.

As for what is elite or not elite, all we can say for sure is that most TLS posters are not. For the wealthiest Americans, Michigan is a top school. Why? Not totally clear, it’s just a network effect. I think Michigan sucks. But it has an important place in elite American culture. As does Penn — which is perhaps the undergrad of choice for America’s ultra rich.

Are we honestly comparing elite colleges to HLS now? We are talking about institutions with perennial admissions rates of 5-8% with 1000-1500 students across all majors vs a 15% admissions rate and 600 students in one program. You don't have near perfect numbers, amazing softs, good essay and genuine uniqueness you don't have a shot at the top undergrad. For HLS, a 173/3.9 gets a plumber in. You need to compete with future bankers, reseachers, doctors, engineers for undergrad admssison. For law, you need to defeat other neerdowells. It's not the same level of competition. Top undergrad opens doors for anyone to hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG, and a whole array of areas HLS is only able to offer less than 5% of their students for. I don't understand why this is even a debate. Yes you might have went to a top undergrad and also end up at HLS. Unfortunately, you fucked up.

But why did YOU fail to get into HLS if it's so easy...?

Exactly this. First, comparing law schools to colleges is absurd and pointless. In any event, all his claims are wrong.

If HLS is so easy to get into, why didn't you get in? The last time I checked, HLS's acceptance rate is 6.9%. Even assuming 15%, 15% doesn't show the full picture of the competition as the pools are different. Most kids from all over the US and other countries that are doing well in their high schools take their shot at Harvard College regardless of how remote the actual chances are. Having grown up abroad, I know that for a fact. For HLS, for the most part, only those with GPA and LSAT within a reasonable range tend to apply. If HLS is such an overrated, poor outcome as you make it out to be, why do so many Harvard College students try so hard to get into one of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford for law school? I know this for a fact as I took language courses with undergrads at Harvard. If hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG are better options than biglaw, why do, in fact, at least a majority of HLS students with job experience post college come from one of those fields?

Why did HLS students just assume whoever shit on their school didn’t get in… it’s a tiktok degree mill. I go to a Y/S and went to a HYP. Never considered HLS a peer school. It’s a very middle of the road option for people with nothing better lined up until senior year. Just take the LSAT and go to HLS. People definitely consider IB consulting and faang a better option than law school. Faang has unmatched WLB; IB gives you money and consulting has more interesting work and better exist. What does law give you? The only value of law school is boutique lit and the possibility to go back to consulting and IB if you didn’t do it in college, both of which HLS, unlike YLS and SLS, can’t offer to the vast majority of its students. Even out of those going to law school, HLS is considered a safety school to fall back on if nothing works out.

Please HLS influencers, try impress teenagers on tik tok and uncles and aunts at home. Don’t make a fool of yourself by tying the Cambridge cash cow to YS and top undergrads anymore.

[becodalapa]

A lot of these posts are really, really off base. They purport to reflect elite perspectives but clearly are written by folks who are anything but.

Most HLS students could not have obtained admission to an Ivy undergrad. At the same time, most Harvard College students couldn’t swing a 173 or 174 if their lives depended on it, even if daddy hired an army of tutors. Apples and oranges.

As for the kid saying he never heard of certain firms while he was a banking analyst — who cares? Law firms operate in a highly discreet manner. They don’t make front page news for crashing the economy or stealing from Stormy Daniels. It totally makes sense that 22 year old kids — yes, even our highly sophisticated 22 year old friends in financial services — would not have heard of most top biglaw firms.

As for what is elite or not elite, all we can say for sure is that most TLS posters are not. For the wealthiest Americans, Michigan is a top school. Why? Not totally clear, it’s just a network effect. I think Michigan sucks. But it has an important place in elite American culture. As does Penn — which is perhaps the undergrad of choice for America’s ultra rich.

Are we honestly comparing elite colleges to HLS now? We are talking about institutions with perennial admissions rates of 5-8% with 1000-1500 students across all majors vs a 15% admissions rate and 600 students in one program. You don't have near perfect numbers, amazing softs, good essay and genuine uniqueness you don't have a shot at the top undergrad. For HLS, a 173/3.9 gets a plumber in. You need to compete with future bankers, reseachers, doctors, engineers for undergrad admssison. For law, you need to defeat other neerdowells. It's not the same level of competition. Top undergrad opens doors for anyone to hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG, and a whole array of areas HLS is only able to offer less than 5% of their students for. I don't understand why this is even a debate. Yes you might have went to a top undergrad and also end up at HLS. Unfortunately, you fucked up.

But why did YOU fail to get into HLS if it's so easy...?

Exactly this. First, comparing law schools to colleges is absurd and pointless. In any event, all his claims are wrong.

If HLS is so easy to get into, why didn't you get in? The last time I checked, HLS's acceptance rate is 6.9%. Even assuming 15%, 15% doesn't show the full picture of the competition as the pools are different. Most kids from all over the US and other countries that are doing well in their high schools take their shot at Harvard College regardless of how remote the actual chances are. Having grown up abroad, I know that for a fact. For HLS, for the most part, only those with GPA and LSAT within a reasonable range tend to apply. If HLS is such an overrated, poor outcome as you make it out to be, why do so many Harvard College students try so hard to get into one of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford for law school? I know this for a fact as I took language courses with undergrads at Harvard. If hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG are better options than biglaw, why do, in fact, at least a majority of HLS students with job experience post college come from one of those fields?

Why did HLS students just assume whoever shit on their school didn’t get in… it’s a tiktok degree mill. I go to a Y/S and went to a HYP. Never considered HLS a peer school. It’s a very middle of the road option for people with nothing better lined up until senior year. Just take the LSAT and go to HLS. People definitely consider IB consulting and faang a better option than law school. Faang has unmatched WLB; IB gives you money and consulting has more interesting work and better exist. What does law give you? The only value of law school is boutique lit and the possibility to go back to consulting and IB if you didn’t do it in college, both of which HLS, unlike YLS and SLS, can’t offer to the vast majority of its students. Even out of those going to law school, HLS is considered a safety school to fall back on if nothing works out.

Please HLS influencers, try impress teenagers on tik tok and uncles and aunts at home. Don’t make a fool of yourself by tying the Cambridge cash cow to YS and top undergrads anymore.

lmao I really, really hope this is serious.

[Anonymous User]

A lot of these posts are really, really off base. They purport to reflect elite perspectives but clearly are written by folks who are anything but.

Most HLS students could not have obtained admission to an Ivy undergrad. At the same time, most Harvard College students couldn’t swing a 173 or 174 if their lives depended on it, even if daddy hired an army of tutors. Apples and oranges.

As for the kid saying he never heard of certain firms while he was a banking analyst — who cares? Law firms operate in a highly discreet manner. They don’t make front page news for crashing the economy or stealing from Stormy Daniels. It totally makes sense that 22 year old kids — yes, even our highly sophisticated 22 year old friends in financial services — would not have heard of most top biglaw firms.

As for what is elite or not elite, all we can say for sure is that most TLS posters are not. For the wealthiest Americans, Michigan is a top school. Why? Not totally clear, it’s just a network effect. I think Michigan sucks. But it has an important place in elite American culture. As does Penn — which is perhaps the undergrad of choice for America’s ultra rich.

Are we honestly comparing elite colleges to HLS now? We are talking about institutions with perennial admissions rates of 5-8% with 1000-1500 students across all majors vs a 15% admissions rate and 600 students in one program. You don't have near perfect numbers, amazing softs, good essay and genuine uniqueness you don't have a shot at the top undergrad. For HLS, a 173/3.9 gets a plumber in. You need to compete with future bankers, reseachers, doctors, engineers for undergrad admssison. For law, you need to defeat other neerdowells. It's not the same level of competition. Top undergrad opens doors for anyone to hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG, and a whole array of areas HLS is only able to offer less than 5% of their students for. I don't understand why this is even a debate. Yes you might have went to a top undergrad and also end up at HLS. Unfortunately, you fucked up.

But why did YOU fail to get into HLS if it's so easy...?

Exactly this. First, comparing law schools to colleges is absurd and pointless. In any event, all his claims are wrong.

If HLS is so easy to get into, why didn't you get in? The last time I checked, HLS's acceptance rate is 6.9%. Even assuming 15%, 15% doesn't show the full picture of the competition as the pools are different. Most kids from all over the US and other countries that are doing well in their high schools take their shot at Harvard College regardless of how remote the actual chances are. Having grown up abroad, I know that for a fact. For HLS, for the most part, only those with GPA and LSAT within a reasonable range tend to apply. If HLS is such an overrated, poor outcome as you make it out to be, why do so many Harvard College students try so hard to get into one of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford for law school? I know this for a fact as I took language courses with undergrads at Harvard. If hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG are better options than biglaw, why do, in fact, at least a majority of HLS students with job experience post college come from one of those fields?

Why did HLS students just assume whoever shit on their school didn’t get in… it’s a tiktok degree mill. I go to a Y/S and went to a HYP. Never considered HLS a peer school. It’s a very middle of the road option for people with nothing better lined up until senior year. Just take the LSAT and go to HLS. People definitely consider IB consulting and faang a better option than law school. Faang has unmatched WLB; IB gives you money and consulting has more interesting work and better exist. What does law give you? The only value of law school is boutique lit and the possibility to go back to consulting and IB if you didn’t do it in college, both of which HLS, unlike YLS and SLS, can’t offer to the vast majority of its students. Even out of those going to law school, HLS is considered a safety school to fall back on if nothing works out.

Please HLS influencers, try impress teenagers on tik tok and uncles and aunts at home. Don’t make a fool of yourself by tying the Cambridge cash cow to YS and top undergrads anymore.

lmao I really, really hope this is serious.

yeah jfc man touch some grass lmao

HYS students were absolutely the most bizarre/unlikeable people in my summer class - this dude is repping well

[Anonymous User]

A lot of these posts are really, really off base. They purport to reflect elite perspectives but clearly are written by folks who are anything but.

Most HLS students could not have obtained admission to an Ivy undergrad. At the same time, most Harvard College students couldn’t swing a 173 or 174 if their lives depended on it, even if daddy hired an army of tutors. Apples and oranges.

As for the kid saying he never heard of certain firms while he was a banking analyst — who cares? Law firms operate in a highly discreet manner. They don’t make front page news for crashing the economy or stealing from Stormy Daniels. It totally makes sense that 22 year old kids — yes, even our highly sophisticated 22 year old friends in financial services — would not have heard of most top biglaw firms.

As for what is elite or not elite, all we can say for sure is that most TLS posters are not. For the wealthiest Americans, Michigan is a top school. Why? Not totally clear, it’s just a network effect. I think Michigan sucks. But it has an important place in elite American culture. As does Penn — which is perhaps the undergrad of choice for America’s ultra rich.

Are we honestly comparing elite colleges to HLS now? We are talking about institutions with perennial admissions rates of 5-8% with 1000-1500 students across all majors vs a 15% admissions rate and 600 students in one program. You don't have near perfect numbers, amazing softs, good essay and genuine uniqueness you don't have a shot at the top undergrad. For HLS, a 173/3.9 gets a plumber in. You need to compete with future bankers, reseachers, doctors, engineers for undergrad admssison. For law, you need to defeat other neerdowells. It's not the same level of competition. Top undergrad opens doors for anyone to hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG, and a whole array of areas HLS is only able to offer less than 5% of their students for. I don't understand why this is even a debate. Yes you might have went to a top undergrad and also end up at HLS. Unfortunately, you fucked up.

But why did YOU fail to get into HLS if it's so easy...?

Exactly this. First, comparing law schools to colleges is absurd and pointless. In any event, all his claims are wrong.

If HLS is so easy to get into, why didn't you get in? The last time I checked, HLS's acceptance rate is 6.9%. Even assuming 15%, 15% doesn't show the full picture of the competition as the pools are different. Most kids from all over the US and other countries that are doing well in their high schools take their shot at Harvard College regardless of how remote the actual chances are. Having grown up abroad, I know that for a fact. For HLS, for the most part, only those with GPA and LSAT within a reasonable range tend to apply. If HLS is such an overrated, poor outcome as you make it out to be, why do so many Harvard College students try so hard to get into one of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford for law school? I know this for a fact as I took language courses with undergrads at Harvard. If hedge fund, consulting, IB, FAANG are better options than biglaw, why do, in fact, at least a majority of HLS students with job experience post college come from one of those fields?

Why did HLS students just assume whoever shit on their school didn’t get in… it’s a tiktok degree mill. I go to a Y/S and went to a HYP. Never considered HLS a peer school. It’s a very middle of the road option for people with nothing better lined up until senior year. Just take the LSAT and go to HLS. People definitely consider IB consulting and faang a better option than law school. Faang has unmatched WLB; IB gives you money and consulting has more interesting work and better exist. What does law give you? The only value of law school is boutique lit and the possibility to go back to consulting and IB if you didn’t do it in college, both of which HLS, unlike YLS and SLS, can’t offer to the vast majority of its students. Even out of those going to law school, HLS is considered a safety school to fall back on if nothing works out.

Please HLS influencers, try impress teenagers on tik tok and uncles and aunts at home. Don’t make a fool of yourself by tying the Cambridge cash cow to YS and top undergrads anymore.

Did you just seriously necro multiple threads to call HLS a "tiktok degree mill?" If you're at S, go back to getting ready for OCI. If you're at Y... I don't know what they're doing right now but any of them worth their salt aren't spending time on TLS.