CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[calpolisci2016]

Columbia:
http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (+0.03) / 3.68 (+0.02) / 3.81
392 (+4)

Is anyone else only seeing Columbia's numbers from last year when they click this link?

And can someone explain what is Columbia looking for in their applicants when they have a really high LSAT and a lower GPA (relative to their rank and peers)?

[Huskies13!]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

[proteinshake]

Columbia:
http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (+0.03) / 3.68 (+0.02) / 3.81
392 (+4)

Is anyone else only seeing Columbia's numbers from last year when they click this link?

And can someone explain what is Columbia looking for in their applicants when they have a really high LSAT and a lower GPA (relative to their rank and peers)?

they're looking for a high LSAT.

[tzzzok]

Columbia:
http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (+0.03) / 3.68 (+0.02) / 3.81
392 (+4)

Fuckkkkkkkkk

[bmathers]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

Possible explanation: The state of Nebraska has not yet discovered the internet, therefore those who apply to the LS have not had the privilege of being told to retake on TLS.

[kingpin101]

Columbia:
http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (+0.03) / 3.68 (-0.02) / 3.81
392 (+4)

Uh, according to the website, the median GPA is 3.70. You reported the average GPA.

[goldenbear2020]

Is anyone else only seeing Columbia's numbers from last year when they click this link?

Try clearing your history/cookies or using another browser. For some reason, their site doesn't refresh the 2016 profile if you've been there before.

FIXED:
169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (-0.03) / 3.70 / 3.81
392 (+4)

[cavalier1138]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

[Huskies13!]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

[cavalier1138]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

I really doubt they are. I think most flagship state schools have similar-ish stats (maybe not quite as high a 75th, but still). If the school is pretty much the only destination for people who want to practice law in a particular state, you'll see a wide range of numbers.

[Huskies13!]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

I really doubt they are. I think most flagship state schools have similar-ish stats (maybe not quite as high a 75th, but still). If the school is pretty much the only destination for people who want to practice law in a particular state, you'll see a wide range of numbers.

Find another school with an LSAT range that is all in the 150s but an LSAT range that is t-14...some schools, like Indiana have high GPP but also have at least a 161....

[dietcoke1]

updated spreadsheet

[cavalier1138]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

I really doubt they are. I think most flagship state schools have similar-ish stats (maybe not quite as high a 75th, but still). If the school is pretty much the only destination for people who want to practice law in a particular state, you'll see a wide range of numbers.

Find another school with an LSAT range that is all in the 150s but an LSAT range that is t-14...some schools, like Indiana have high GPP but also have at least a 161....

That's splitting hairs. A 161 is not substantively different from a 159, certainly not to the degree that a 3.7 is different from a 3.9.

In the same vein, find me any reputable-ish law school with a median below a 3.0.

[Huskies13!]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

I really doubt they are. I think most flagship state schools have similar-ish stats (maybe not quite as high a 75th, but still). If the school is pretty much the only destination for people who want to practice law in a particular state, you'll see a wide range of numbers.

Find another school with an LSAT range that is all in the 150s but an LSAT range that is t-14...some schools, like Indiana have high GPP but also have at least a 161....

That's splitting hairs. A 161 is not substantively different from a 159, certainly not to the degree that a 3.7 is different from a 3.9.

In the same vein, find me any reputable-ish law school with a median below a 3.0.

Not sure I agree a 159 is the same as a 161--lot more schools at the 158-19 range than 161-162. That said, Nebraska is a freaking 156! That's the difference. I'm not belaboring the point--but you are wrong that this isn't aberrational.It is. there are about 77 schools with median LSATs higher than Nebraska. There are only about 24 schools with a higher median GPA...that is quite a feat. Nebraska is the best in the country at splitters...and I am curious how...maybe the internet theory above explains it (the only other schools that look anything like Nebraska are Tennessee and FIU...)

[goldenbear2020]

Texas Tech:
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/law/admissions/statistics.php

151 / 153 (-1) / 156
3.03 (-0.04) / 3.28 (-0.11) / 3.56 (-0.04)
160 (-22)

[asdfdfdfadfas]

Nebraska:
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/
154(+2)/156/159(+1)
3.41(+.01)/3.69(+.04)/3.91

Observation--how does Nebraska have such an amazingly high GPA (higher than Columbia) with those LSAT scores..and why doesn't everyone at that level!!

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's likely that Columbia places a higher premium on where you went to school. So a 3.6 from Yale will count more than a 3.9 from Nebraska (not that Nebraska isn't an academically rigorous institution, of course...). But you're also ignoring that Nebraska's splits (25/50/75) are huge. So they're likely accepting some people from phone-it-in schools with great GPAs and some people from good schools with bad GPAs.

I understand why Columbia is different. My question is why other schools like Nebraska aren't doing the same. I would assume if Nebraska could do it so could lots of 50ish schools...odd that they are the only ones with "secret" sauce for low LSAT high GPA

I really doubt they are. I think most flagship state schools have similar-ish stats (maybe not quite as high a 75th, but still). If the school is pretty much the only destination for people who want to practice law in a particular state, you'll see a wide range of numbers.

Find another school with an LSAT range that is all in the 150s but an LSAT range that is t-14...some schools, like Indiana have high GPP but also have at least a 161....

That's splitting hairs. A 161 is not substantively different from a 159, certainly not to the degree that a 3.7 is different from a 3.9.

In the same vein, find me any reputable-ish law school with a median below a 3.0.

Not sure I agree a 159 is the same as a 161--lot more schools at the 158-19 range than 161-162. That said, Nebraska is a freaking 156! That's the difference. I'm not belaboring the point--but you are wrong that this isn't aberrational.It is. there are about 77 schools with median LSATs higher than Nebraska. There are only about 24 schools with a higher median GPA...that is quite a feat. Nebraska is the best in the country at splitters...and I am curious how...maybe the internet theory above explains it (the only other schools that look anything like Nebraska are Tennessee and FIU...)

From Nebraska can confirm- we are bunch of hillybilly farmers who commute from our farms in Western Nebraska to the big ole city of Lincoln for game day where we can pretend that the glory days of Nebraska football are just around the corner after the new hire of nice guy Mike Riley- perfect for us folks. FYI, I am at the public library; thus, the internet connection.
I think the vast majority of people at Nebraska are people who graduate, have high GPAs in useless majors such as communications or polis ci or whatever from small town colleges who graduated, couldn’t find a job that met their expectations– kind of like their expectations for our football team-, take the Lsat, shrug their shoulders when they score in the mid 150’s, then run back to academia as fast they can to double down on their education in order to continue their adolescence for another few years. We will see how it plays out for them Cotton.

[kingpin101]

Lol wtf, Columbia changed its 25th LSAT to 168.

[poptart123]

Lol @Columbia typo. Still nice gains. Also, their average score is interesting to think about.

[Mikey]

Where's Cooley's numbers, bro

CooleyEDsquad2020

[theconsigliere]

Lol @Columbia typo. Still nice gains. Also, their average score is interesting to think about.

Low mean is probably a result of their 25th percentile being so low (4 points lower than median compared to their 75th which is just 2 points higher than median).

i.e. For every person with a 168, they would need two people with a 174 in order for mean to keep up with median (since the mean of 168, 174, 174 is 172)

[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

Where's Cooley's numbers, bro

CooleyEDsquad2020

Yooooo me too! Should I make a thread for anyone else EDing to Cooley?

[poptart123]

Lol @Columbia typo. Still nice gains. Also, their average score is interesting to think about.

Low mean is probably a result of their 25th percentile being so low (4 points lower than median compared to their 75th which is just 2 points higher than median).

i.e. For every person with a 168, they would need two people with a 174 in order for mean to keep up with median (since the mean of 168, 174, 174 is 172)

Interesting analysis (or I guess facts?). The LSAT didn't require math so here I am.

[TAD]

Lol @Columbia typo. Still nice gains. Also, their average score is interesting to think about.

Low mean is probably a result of their 25th percentile being so low (4 points lower than median compared to their 75th which is just 2 points higher than median).

i.e. For every person with a 168, they would need two people with a 174 in order for mean to keep up with median (since the mean of 168, 174, 174 is 172)

Since the median is just the 50th percentile or the middle number in which 50 percent of students fall at or below that number, couldn't there hypothetically be only one person with a 172 (though I know that's unlikely) and people with 171s and less and people with 173s and higher? And in such a case wouldn't the median seem irrelevant? So for 169, 170, 172, 174, 174.....the median is 172.

Or is there already the assumption that in admissions we will use the "at" part of the median definition I provided above.

[goldenbear2020]

Theoretically, there could be zero 172s in the class, e.g. [169, 170, 171, 173, 174, 175] has a 172 median. It's still relevant because anyone with <172 is in the bottom half, while anyone with 173+ is in the top half.

[TAD]

Theoretically, there could be zero 172s in the class, e.g. [169, 170, 171, 173, 174, 175] has a 172 median. It's still relevant because anyone with <172 is in the bottom half, while anyone with 173+ is in the top half.

Oh okay. I guess I got caught up on the bottom half, such that a school has a bunch of 165s with a median of 172, forgetting this would just as much affect the top half, counterbalancing it with 173+