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SAs - Adjust your W-4 withholdings - Maximize Summer Cash!

Post by NotMyRealName09 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:57 pm

A thread here about a big refund reminded me of the series of posts I did years ago about adjusting the number of allowances you take on your W-4 when you work as a summer. The basic problem is that the W-4 worksheet assumes you'll be working the rest of the year at your salary, when in fact its only 10 weeks or whatever - you're actually in a far lower tax bracket than the W-4 thinks you'll be. This results in massive over-withholding and you end up with a $3,000 tax refund the next year. Screw that! Pocket that money and spend it now!

Follow this formula (be mindful I wrote it years ago but the method should still work with updated IRS tables - edit: the links still work and take you to the 2014 stuff, sweet) and you can calculate how many allowances you should take. More allowances mean less cash withheld. Bottom line - you can probably take 9 allowances without any problems. But run the numbers yourself to be sure. Here's the link to the thread

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... g&start=50

Here's the main thing I wrote below - but I made a few other posts clarifying some things in the original thread so its worth a scan. No need to thank me, but YOU'RE WELCOME.
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If you fill out your W-4 on your first day of work as a summer and you follow the form's instructions, that is exactly what will happen. The form will tell you to put down a certain number of allowances, but the W-4 assumes you will be working for the rest of the year. You won't, though.

Here is an example of how to adjust your Summer Associate W-4 withholdings to minimize your federal refund and get more $$$ in each paycheck.

Assume you're single, and the summer associate job is the only job you will work all year. You have no kids, and get paid semi-monthly. Also assume you get paid $2000 / wk, and will be working 12 weeks.

You will gross $24,000 that summer. Lets say you will owe about $1760 in federal taxes, figured using a free online 2010 tax calculator - make sure you do this calculation correctly for 2011. (Gross income - Standard Deduction - Exemptions = Adjusted Gross Income. AGI x Tax Bracket = Federal Taxes owed).

If you run through the W-4 form, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... MDWjFVFBMQ , the form ends up telling you - a single person with no kids and no other jobs - to put down 2 allowances. But as will be shown, 2 allowances leads to massive overwithholding of your cash.

First, what is an allowance? An allowance is a set dollar figure used to reduce your gross income before calculating your withholding. See IRS Pub-15, page 35, table 5 at http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 3y9EIhYUcQ .

So in our example, 1 allowance equals $154.17.

THE MATH

Take your semimonthly gross wages, which for ease we'll say is $4000. Subtract the 2 allowances from that amount. $4000 - 154.17 - 154.17 = $3691.66. Now take that number and go to the tables in IRS Pub-15 to calculate your withholding.

In IRS Pub-15, on page 36 is TABLE 3 - the percentage method tables for semimonthly payroll periods for single people. Pluging $3691.66 into that table, you do this:

Since $3691.66 is greater than $3,571 but not over $7,354, the amount withheld will be $709.35 plus 28% of the excess over $3,571.

Soooo, $3691.66 - 3,571 = $120.66. Multiply by .28 to get $33.79 - this is the "28% of the excess."

Add the "excess" of $33.79 to $709.35, and we get $743.14. This is how much will be withheld from each paycheck with 2 allowances.

If you followed the form W-4 instructions and took only 2 allowances, over the summer the feds will withhold $4458.84 ($743.14 x 6 paychecks). BUT YOU ONLY WILL OWE $1760 or so come tax time!!!!!!!!! That means you'll get a $2698.84 tax refund. Thats straight cash that could be spent on top-shelf liquor all summer long.

So what to do? Play with the numbers! Run the analysis but add more allowances.

Lets try taking 9 allowances (10 or more your employer has to inform the IRS - not a big deal, but I prefer the IRS not put their eye on me.)

9 allowances equals (9 x 154.17 = $1387.53). Subtract from gross wages to get $2612.47.

Goto IRS Pub-15 page 36 table 3. Since $2612.47 is over $1525 but not over $3571, the amount withheld will be $197.85 plus 25% of the excess over $1525.

(($2612.47 - $1525) x .25) + $197.85 = $469.72. That is the amount withheld from each paycheck with 9 allowances. Taking 9 allowances instead of 2 means $273 more per paycheck. Your federal refund will be $1058 instead of $2698.84. Thats money in your pocket.

In our little example, the proper number of allowances is something like 13 or so. Taking 15 leads to underwithholding.

Make sense? (I disclaim inadvertant math / spelling errors, but the procedure is correct.)

Consider it a fun math game that puts hundreds more dollars in each paycheck, which you can then blow on booze or shoes depending on your preferences. Discover Scotch and other fine whiskeys. They're wonderful.

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Re: SAs - Adjust your W-4 withholdings - Maximize Summer Cash!

Post by juzam_djinn » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:18 pm

Great post, thanks for this info.

I have a silly question: Do we submit our W4's to our employers when we start working, or are we supposed to provide them prior to starting our SAs?

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Post by aces » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:42 pm

juzam_djinn wrote:Great post, thanks for this info.

I have a silly question: Do we submit our W4's to our employers when we start working, or are we supposed to provide them prior to starting our SAs?
You'll usually fill them out with HR on the first day.

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Post by nomdeplumeify » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:52 pm

Wouldn't it just be easier to use the IRS withholding calculator?

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-With ... Calculator

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Post by NotMyRealName09 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:38 pm

nomdeplumeify wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to use the IRS withholding calculator?

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-With ... Calculator
Nope, it fails for a similar reason as the w-4 - it presumes you will be working from the day you enter your numbers until Dec. 31. It doesn't take into account that you'll only be working for 10 weeks.

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Post by Danger Zone » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:47 pm

NotMyRealName09 wrote:
nomdeplumeify wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to use the IRS withholding calculator?

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-With ... Calculator
Nope, it fails for a similar reason as the w-4 - it presumes you will be working from the day you enter your numbers until Dec. 31. It doesn't take into account that you'll only be working for 10 weeks.
That's not true. Just adjust the following options:
Select the date closest to when you first held this job in 2014:

Select the date closest to when this job will end in 2014:
Also the requirement to report anyone with ten or more allowances has been eliminated.

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Post by unlicensedpotato » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:52 pm

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Post by NotMyRealName09 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:24 pm

Bah, I'm on my new phone, meant to revise that before posting. I typed it and then thought - I should look at the current calculator before I look stupid.

You're right, the current calculator asks for an end date for your job, taking into account its short term nature.

The calculator back I'm 2010 didn't ask for an end date which was the entire reason I went through all that hassle back in the day. My method works and gets you the same result - it says to have like 16 allowances (your numbers will vary).

So use the calculator. Don't rely on just the W4. And if your HR person expresses concern over your allowances, you can explain why it's all ok.

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Post by Danger Zone » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:31 pm

But thanks for the reminder :wink:

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Post by NotMyRealName09 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:37 pm

Danger Zone wrote:But thanks for the reminder :wink:
And let me just comment on how you pointed out an error and rather than be a dick you responded with logic and civility, allowing me an opportunity to correct myself in the name of accuracy. A rarity on the internet, well done.

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Post by jesss » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:06 pm

Does this work for stub year withholdings as well?

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Post by NotMyRealName09 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:17 pm

jesss wrote:Does this work for stub year withholdings as well?
Yep - just don't forget to adjust them again once you begin your first full taxable year or else you'll end up owing a lot of money come tax time.

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Post by t-14orbust » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:20 pm

Any info on how this may affect reductions in need-aid from HYS?

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Post by derfs » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:37 pm

Thanks! This'll be really helpful.

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Post by Danger Zone » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:53 pm

t-14orbust wrote:Any info on how this may affect reductions in need-aid from HYS?
The bottom line is that withholding has nothing to do with the need based aid. This is because those schools will look at your FAFSA and tax return to determine your ability to pay. At the end of the day, proper withholding won't cause you to have more income, except to the extent that you wisely invest the money and receive interest income or capital gains.

Tl;dr withholding won't really change the math

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Post by t-14orbust » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:55 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
t-14orbust wrote:Any info on how this may affect reductions in need-aid from HYS?
The bottom line is that withholding has nothing to do with the need based aid. This is because those schools will look at your FAFSA and tax return to determine your ability to pay. At the end of the day, proper withholding won't cause you to have more income, except to the extent that you wisely invest the money and receive interest income or capital gains.

Tl;dr withholding won't really change the math
Cool, thanks!

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Post by Redamon1 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:29 pm

Wow. I had not thought about this at all. Thanks for the protip!

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