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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by ansteam » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:03 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I finished with ~179, does anyone know where that leaves me for LA corporate (which firms)? I am working in LA this summer and am from here, so I have ties.

Thanks in advance!
Assuming no special snowflake attributes, all firms should be in play except for Munger (one Corporate client) and possibly not Irell (Entertainment/Transactional), so not a big loss. Latham seems the big cheese for L.A. corporate.
I'd put Skadden up there with Latham, and S&C maybe a bit behind. GDC corporate is also Chambers Band 1 for SoCal Corp/M&A, but it doesn't seem quite as strong as Latham or Skadden. Echoing WheninLaw, all of these should be gettable.

O'Melveny is the other big LA firm and is worth a bid (although I'd imagine you'd get one of Skadden/Latham/S&C/GDC, provided you interview okay), although they recently lost a good chunk of their entertainment transactions group (which they used to be known for) to Latham. Cooley also might be worth looking into, if you're interested in emerging companies work/want to work in Santa Monica. Irell did hire a entertainment transactions group in the past year, but if you want that type of work, there are other LA firms with broader entertainment transactions practices. Munger does do other work besides Berkshire, but it's a smaller practice and might be a stretch at a 179.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by beepboopbeep » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:12 pm

My understanding is that MTO is willing to dip a bit further for transactional candidates given that it's harder to draw folks there for that compared to lit, but I'm not sure how far that extends. If you're pretty set on LA + corp, still worth throwing them a bid closer to 50 (they never, ever fill up given the grade ranges) and seeing how it goes. Worst comes to worst it's an extra screener to practice interviewing with before CBs. There's one person headed there in c/o2016 for corporate so maybe drop them an email.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by WheninLaw » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:24 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:My understanding is that MTO is willing to dip a bit further for transactional candidates given that it's harder to draw folks there for that compared to lit, but I'm not sure how far that extends. If you're pretty set on LA + corp, still worth throwing them a bid closer to 50 (they never, ever fill up given the grade ranges) and seeing how it goes. Worst comes to worst it's an extra screener to practice interviewing with before CBs. There's one person headed there in c/o2016 for corporate so maybe drop them an email.
I agree, although I'd caution that it's a 99% wasted bid without Law Review (maybe if you had K&E type grades). Interview practice is great, but it might do more harm than good if the screener is not interested in you from the get-go. And while I like the associate they send a lot, he's an awkward dude - not sure if that's great for practice.

Edit: Might change if they do, in fact, dip for transactional. T.C. (c/o 2015) is going there for corporate work, but he definitely had the grades to back it up.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:46 am

Grades: Bit over 179
URM: Don't think so
Work: Nothing impressive
Preferred market: SF > DC >> LA >>>>>> NY
Practice Area: Lit
Misc: Am I being too reckless!? Should I just switch out all my DC bids for NY? Does grade trajectory matter at all? I dropped a decent amount as a result of spring quarter grades. Thanks!

1. GDC LA 13
2. MoFo SF 21
3. Latham SF 22
4. Cleary DC 38
5. Jones Day DC 21
6. Paul Hasting SF 5
7. KE SF 21
8. KE DC 21
9. PW NY 42
10. Skadden DC 21
11. Davis Polk NY 42
12. OMM SF 21
13. SullCom NY 42
14. Debevoise NY 63
15. Sidley DC 21
16. Cooley SF 42
17. STB NY 63
18. Arnold Porter DC 21
19. Fried Frank NY 42
20. Foley DC 21
21. Schiff DC 84
22. State Dept DC 17
23. Dechert SF 21
24. Jenner DC 21
25. Goodwin SF 8
26. Shearman NY 21
27. Baker Botts DC 21
28. Steptoe DC 21
29. Perkins Coie SF 4
30. White & Case DC 19
31. Wilson Sonsini DC 12
32. Allen & Overy DC 6
33. Mayer Brown DC 21
34. Ropes Gray SF 42
35. Irell LA 27
36. BakerHostetler LA 18
37. Vinson Elkins DC 21
38. Sheppard SF 21
39. Hughes Hubbard NY 21
40. Gunderson NY 21
41. Strook and Strook LA 21
42. Axinn DC 21
43. Munger LA 21
44. Holland Knight DC 11
45. Harris Wiltshire DC 21
46. King & Spalding DC 13
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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by beepboopbeep » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:Grades: Bit over 179
URM: Don't think so
Work: Nothing impressive
Preferred market: SF > DC >> LA >>>>>> NY
Misc: Am I being too reckless!? Should I just switch out all my DC bids for NY? Does grade trajectory matter at all? I dropped a decent amount as a result of spring quarter grades. Thanks!

1. GDC LA 13 potentially too high, do they really only have 13 slots?
2. MoFo SF 21 way too high, picked up in the 30s last year
3. Latham SF 22 too high
4. Cleary DC 38 about right, got it at 6 last year so can maybe fall a bit
5. Jones Day DC 21 about right
6. Paul Hasting SF 5 I'd guess too high, but not sure.
7. KE SF 21 too high
8. KE DC 21 about right, but be wary bidding multiple K&E offices
9. PW NY 42 about right
10. Skadden DC 21 i missed at 18 last year so this is probably good.
11. Davis Polk NY 42 about right
12. OMM SF 21 too high
13. SullCom NY 42 potentially low, i missed at 16 last year.
14. Debevoise NY 63 about right
15. Sidley DC 21 about right
16. Cooley SF 42 no idea, probably too high... 42 slots for SF?
17. STB NY 63 about right
18. Arnold Porter DC 21 potentially too low, i missed around the same last year
19. Fried Frank NY 42 no idea
20. Foley DC 21 i'd guess too high
21. Schiff DC 84 are these shared slots?
22. State Dept DC 17 too high
23. Dechert SF 21 too high
24. Jenner DC 21 too low
25. Goodwin SF 8 potentially too low
26. Shearman NY 21 too low
27. Baker Botts DC 21 too low
28. Steptoe DC 21 too low
29. Perkins Coie SF 4 too high
30. White & Case DC 19 about right. this interviewer was one of my favorites last year
31. Wilson Sonsini DC 12 they have a dc office?
32. Allen & Overy DC 6 too high, got at 41 last year
33. Mayer Brown DC 21 way low
34. Ropes Gray SF 42 probably high
35. Irell LA 27 can bid irell 50th
36. BakerHostetler LA 18 too high
37. Vinson Elkins DC 21 probably low
38. Sheppard SF 21 too high
39. Hughes Hubbard NY 21 no idea
40. Gunderson NY 21 no idea
41. Strook and Strook LA 21 too high, also don't work here
42. Axinn DC 21 about right
43. Munger LA 21 about right, can also be bid 50th
44. Holland Knight DC 11 no idea
45. Harris Wiltshire DC about right
46. King & Spalding DC 13 no idea
SF is a really tough nut to crack. Are you thinking transactional? VC/startup work? I think this is about the right amount of risk, personally, though perhaps a bit aggressive--I don't think you need to swap out DC. Keep in mind, though, that some of the DC shops you listed--Axinn and Harris Wiltshire at the extreme, and Cleary/White & Case/etc to a lesser degree--are very specialized, so you may not want to do the kind of work they do. Right now I'd say the DC bids lean antitrust, but obviously if you want that it's not a bad thing. Just look into what the offices do before bidding. I almost accidentally interviewed with a tax boutique last year, which would've been an interview trainwreck. If you want to be a bit more conservative you could swap out some of the DC with NY, but the NY will likely require higher bids. I would also throw in some bids to OMM LA (if they allow bidding multiple offices--but maybe even bid that about their SF office) and some of the other more well-regarded, decent-class-size LA firms if you want that more than NY. Some of the DC offices you're bidding are very small so check into that as well.

I also had a downward grade trajectory and it didn't end up mattering too much, but I've never been on the other side of the desk so I don't want to say it doesn't matter.

This looks almost exactly like my bidlist from last year so obviously I think it's good, but I also made some mistakes. PM if you want to chat more in-depth.
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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:03 am

I finished with about a 179, leaning towards transactional but also considering lit. What are my chances of breaking into the SF/SV market? Non-urm with ties to the area. Would it be too much to bid SF/SV, LA, and NY? Looking for some input before putting together a draft of a bid list.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by 2014 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:15 am

Anonymous User wrote:Texas / NY Corporate back again. I tried following your advice. Will I hit the NY firms? I can follow Jaqen's advice and drop the Texas firms lower or do other changes to make sure I hit the NY ones.

1. Gibson Dunn NY 21 spots shared - Hit
2. Latham & Watkins Houston 22 spots shared - Hit
3. Cravath NY 38 spots - Hit (way too high - this can go down to like 15-18)
4. Vinson & Elkins Houston 21 spots shared - Hit
5. Simpson Thacher NY 63 spots shared - Hit (way too high, go down to 13-15)
6. Kirkland & Ellis Houston 21 spots - Probably Hit
7. Sullivan & Cromwell NY 42 spots - Hit (way too high, go down to 13-15)
8. Baker Botts Houston 21 spots - Probably Hit
9. Skadden NY 42 spots - Hit (I guess it wouldn't hurt to bump it when you shift Cravath, STB, and S&C down)
10. Norton Rose Fulbright Houston 21 spots shared - Probably Hit
11. Cleary Gottlieb NY 42 spots - Probably Hit (same advice as Skadden)
12. Paul Weiss NY 42 spots - Probably Hit (same)
13. Davis Polk NY 42 spots - Probably Hit (same)
14. Fried Frank NY 42 spots - pushing closer to 50/50 here
15. Ropes & Gray NY 42 spots - pushing closer to 50/50 here
16. Debevoise & Plimpton NY 63 spots - This is about right, probably 80/20 Hit/Miss
17. Jackson Walker Houston 21 spots shared
18. BakerHostetler Houston 18 spots shared
19. Sidley Austin Houston 21 spots
20. Winston & Strawn Houston 21 spots
21. Wachtell NY 42 spots - Hit
Opinions inserted. NPH knows what he's talking about too but mine differ slightly.

I'm not qualified to offer opinions on Houston at 17-20 so I defer.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:46 pm

I would appreciate any input you all have!

Transfer student from a T50, Top 3%, invited to law review at old school. K-JD, no URM
NYC > Chicago
Litigation

(All are NYC unless noted otherwise)

1. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 21
2. Proskauer Rose 21
3. Dechert 21
4. Jenner & Block (CHI) 63
5. Kirkland & Ellis (CHI) 84
6. Sidley Austin (CHI) 84
7. Skadden 42
8. Jones Day 21
9. WilmerHale 21
10. Shearman & Sterling 21
11. Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson 21
12. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison 42
13. Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton 42
14. Davis Polk & Wardwell 42
15. Latham & Watkins 31
16. Sullivan & Cromwell 42
17. Debevoise & Plimpton 63
18. Simpson Thacher & Bartlett 57
19. Cravath, Swaine & Moore 38
20. Cooley 42

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:52 pm

Kirkland and Sidley at 5/6 are a little risky. I'd move them to 3/4 to be sure. And if NYC > Chicago maybe you should pick two other NYC firms to put in their place to get more chances at interviews.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by skers » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:55 pm

Gibson can go a lot lower, but it's always hard to tell what to go w/ at number 1. Wouldn't be surprised if you missed Fried Frank where it's at currently.

I don't know why people are putting Cravath as high as they are, but maybe it should be generally higher since you're all doing it. Also, Cravath kind of sucks as a place to work.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:57 pm

Besides literally reading every post in the past threads (which i've just about done anyway), how can I find more about the mechanics of the bidding process? You guys seem to so know much about it just having gone through it, but everyone on my side seems absolutely clueless. I want to know so I can implement some sort of strategy to my bids. Is it sort of just balancing desire to be at the firm with number of interview spots with number of people you think will bid for that firm? That's what I'm gleaning so far, but it seems more difficult to do when you want to bid something besides Chi/NY.
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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Robb » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I would appreciate any input you all have!

Transfer student from a T50, Top 3%, invited to law review at old school. K-JD, no URM
NYC > Chicago
Litigation

(All are NYC unless noted otherwise)

1. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 21
2. Proskauer Rose 21
3. Dechert 21
4. Jenner & Block (CHI) 63
5. Kirkland & Ellis (CHI) 84
6. Sidley Austin (CHI) 84
7. Skadden 42
8. Jones Day 21
9. WilmerHale 21
10. Shearman & Sterling 21
11. Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson 21
12. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison 42
13. Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton 42
14. Davis Polk & Wardwell 42
15. Latham & Watkins 31
16. Sullivan & Cromwell 42
17. Debevoise & Plimpton 63
18. Simpson Thacher & Bartlett 57
19. Cravath, Swaine & Moore 38
20. Cooley 42
any reason for not including boies?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by beepboopbeep » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Besides literally reading every post in the past threads (which i've just about done anyway), how can I find more about the mechanics of the bidding process? You guys seem to so know much about it just having gone through it, but everyone on my side seems absolutely clueless. I want to know so I can implement some sort of strategy to my bids. Is it sort of just balancing desire to be at the firm with number of interview spots with number of people you think will bid for that firm? That's what I'm gleaning so far, but it seems more difficult to do when you want to bid something besides Chi/NY.
Ask OCS (don't) or ask us (do). IIRC someone wrote up a bidding process overview last year, but can't find it atm, so I'll just run through it super quickly:

On the mechanics side: it's straight lottery. No pre-select. The top x number of bids on an office get a screener--however many slots they have, basically. Once OCI starts, there is an add/drop system where you can cancel screeners you're no longer interested in and pick up ones you didn't get that other people cancelled (and, sometimes, firms will leave a couple slots open just for this, it seems). If there's a time conflict between bids I believe the higher bid will win and the lower bid will just not result in a screener. You can also show up really early in the morning and drop off your resume and ask if an interviewer would be willing to do an interview with you over a break, at the end of the day, etc.

Generally you want to bid the popular firms highest because 1) they fill up faster, and 2) it's harder to pick them up in add-drop. But I'd also sliiightly caution against just trying to maximize quantity of screeners over quality, which doesn't mean, like, overall prestige, but how much you want a particular firm (practice group strength location, etc). I missed a couple firms I really wanted to at least interview with because of micromanaging in the bidlist trying to get the most screeners possible; once you get over 25-30 or so, there's not a huge amount of return to doing more unless you have crazy stamina for these. So it's kind of a balancing act. You maybe want to put some firms you really don't want to miss a little higher than needed to ensure the screener, but not too many or you'll miss the bigger ones with larger class sizes (and thus higher likelihood of getting an offer). But you also don't want to just pick popular firms if it means missing out on the ones that are strongest for what you want to do.

Speaking way too generally, I'd say firms fill up in roughly this order: 1) Chicago large class size 2) NY large class size 3) best non-crazy-selective DC 4) rest of Chicago 5) rest of NY 6) rest of DC 7) LA 8) literally everything else 9) firms with very high GPA cutoffs (MTO, Irell, W&C, etc). I'm sure opinions differ on this, but that's roughly what I noticed last year and looking at bidlists from previous threads. If you have a question on where to bid a particular firm: look at the past threads. Seriously, look at them and run a search on the firm you're trying to find out about. There's variation year-to-year depending on who bids what in each class, but not that much, since a lot of the advice gravitates toward the same bid cutoffs.

HTH. That's the quick-and-dirty. But ask more specific questions and folks here will answer--we all got great help from upperclassmen when we were going through this, too. Your initial impression--balancing desire+slots+popularity--is right. My one piece of advice would be to 1) don't under-rate desire or let popularity dictate everything, and 2) on the other hand, don't feel like all is lost if you miss a favorite. Things will pop up while you're interviewing that will change your opinions on firms. My top-3 preferences at the end of CBs was super different from at the beginning.

edit: y'all keep posting right after me which makes my whole "post now, proofread later" thing look real dumb.
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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

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Robb wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:any reason for not including boies?
I've heard they are none too friendly towards transfers, at least in their NY office. I might be getting anecdotal evidence though.
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland and Sidley at 5/6 are a little risky. I'd move them to 3/4 to be sure. And if NYC > Chicago maybe you should pick two other NYC firms to put in their place to get more chances at interviews.
Would substituting the NY offices of those firms be a suitable alternative?
skers wrote:Gibson can go a lot lower, but it's always hard to tell what to go w/ at number 1. Wouldn't be surprised if you missed Fried Frank where it's at currently.

I don't know why people are putting Cravath as high as they are, but maybe it should be generally higher since you're all doing it. Also, Cravath kind of sucks as a place to work.
Yeah, they're one of my top choices, but they have a relatively small number of slots and I don't want to miss out.

Also, is the reason why you recommend putting Cravath lower because they have a large number of interview slots? Or because people don't like the firm and naturally bid it lower/not at all?

Thanks for all the help.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by WheninLaw » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:48 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Besides literally reading every post in the past threads (which i've just about done anyway), how can I find more about the mechanics of the bidding process? You guys seem to so know much about it just having gone through it, but everyone on my side seems absolutely clueless. I want to know so I can implement some sort of strategy to my bids. Is it sort of just balancing desire to be at the firm with number of interview spots with number of people you think will bid for that firm? That's what I'm gleaning so far, but it seems more difficult to do when you want to bid something besides Chi/NY.
Ask OCS (don't) or ask us (do). IIRC someone wrote up a bidding process overview last year, but can't find it atm, so I'll just run through it super quickly:

On the mechanics side: it's straight lottery. No pre-select. The top x number of bids on an office get a screener--however many slots they have, basically. Once OCI starts, there is an add/drop system where you can cancel screeners you're no longer interested in and pick up ones you didn't get that other people cancelled (and, sometimes, firms will leave a couple slots open just for this, it seems). If there's a time conflict between bids I believe the higher bid will win and the lower bid will just not result in a screener. You can also show up really early in the morning and drop off your resume and ask if an interviewer would be willing to do an interview with you over a break, at the end of the day, etc.

Generally you want to bid the popular firms highest because 1) they fill up faster, and 2) it's harder to pick them up in add-drop. But I'd also sliiightly caution against just trying to maximize quantity of screeners over quality, which doesn't mean, like, overall prestige, but how much you want a particular firm (practice group strength location, etc). I missed a couple firms I really wanted to at least interview with because of micromanaging in the bidlist trying to get the most screeners possible; once you get over 25-30 or so, there's not a huge amount of return to doing more unless you have crazy stamina for these. So it's kind of a balancing act. You maybe want to put some firms you really don't want to miss a little higher than needed to ensure the screener, but not too many or you'll miss the bigger ones with larger class sizes (and thus higher likelihood of getting an offer). But you also don't want to just pick popular firms if it means missing out on the ones that are strongest for what you want to do.

Speaking way too generally, I'd say firms fill up in roughly this order: 1) Chicago large class size 2) NY large class size 3) best non-crazy-selective DC 4) rest of Chicago 5) rest of NY 6) rest of DC 7) LA 8) literally everything else 9) firms with very high GPA cutoffs (MTO, Irell, W&C, etc). I'm sure opinions differ on this, but that's roughly what I noticed last year and looking at bidlists from previous threads. If you have a question on where to bid a particular firm: look at the past threads. Seriously, look at them and run a search on the firm you're trying to find out about. There's variation year-to-year depending on who bids what in each class, but not that much, since a lot of the advice gravitates toward the same bid cutoffs.

HTH. That's the quick-and-dirty. But ask more specific questions and folks here will answer--we all got great help from upperclassmen when we were going through this, too. Your initial impression--balancing desire+slots+popularity--is right. My one piece of advice would be to 1) don't under-rate desire or let popularity dictate everything, and 2) on the other hand, don't feel like all is lost if you miss a favorite. Things will pop up while you're interviewing that will change your opinions on firms. My top-3 preferences at the end of CBs was super different from at the beginning.

edit: y'all keep posting right after me which makes my whole "post now, proofread later" thing look real dumb.
Fucking great advice.

The only thing I'll add: the competitiveness of some markets for screeners and/or CBs can be very dependent based on the composition of your class. For example, some years SF is heavily bid; other years, almost not at all (for c/o 2014, MOFO SF had to bid 1/2, for c/o 2015, top 10 sufficed). While not an exact science, it wouldn't hurt to look at the geographical makeup of your class to get a sense of this.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:21 pm

Just curious -- how selective are DC firms for reals? W&C, Covington, Hogan, WilmerHale DC??
Female/URM. ~178. No specific ties w/ DC but hoping for regulatory work.
Does anyone have any experience w/ them?
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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by skers » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:27 pm

Yeah, let's be honest there is a degree of just guess work going on here. But for the most part we are looking at our own experiences, the experiences of the people we know, and just passed down TLS wisdom. Bottom line there is going to be some degree of randomness here b/c you just don't really know what people are going to bid and what's going to be popular. I think there are some things that are tried and true rules (almost wherever you bid, you'll get Wachtell--I think they were my 48 or 49). The big, popular Chicago firms will always go pretty quickly (K&E, Sidley, ect). On the otherhand, my year the top kids weren't really all that interested in DC/people were spooked by the cut-offs and pretty much no one bid DC and it was an weirdly easy market. The rising 3L class seemed to have been much more DC oriented. I think that get comfortable w/ randomness point is generally good advice for everything OCI since there's a shit ton of the process you just can't control. You might click with a partner/associate b/c of some random interest that comes up and then you get the screener or you might inadvertently say something really dumb. Maybe you interview right before lunch and the interviewer is just little sick of screeners. just roll w/ it all.

I think one thing to keep in mind about the Chicago market specifically since I don't know if anyone has touched on this (and hell this probably everything outside of NY) is just how small they are compared with NY. For example, if you're leaning corp in Chicago, once you get past K&E, Sidley, Latham, and Skadden, there aren't really that many choices left. And to compound that, those other firms may have lower gpa cut-offs, but they are actually a lot more fit oriented so they aren't really safeties to the extent you might think they are. OTOH, NY has firms w/ massive classes that aren't as selective either w/r/t grades or fit.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by beepboopbeep » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just curious -- how selective are DC firms for reals? W&C, Covington, Hogan, WilmerHale DC??
Female/URM. ~178. No specific ties w/ DC but hoping for regulatory work.
Does anyone have any experience w/ them?
W&C: AFAIK, no offers to c/o 2016, though I know of at least one CB. 75% of the K&Es interviewed there. The CB I know of had a feeder clerkship lined up before OCI.
Covington: our year, probably 180+ needed for contention, but maybe lower if less people bid DC. The person I know working there had good grades and won one of those best-in-section things for LRW and has a clerkship lined up, but didn't do law review.
Dunno about Hogan.
The only person I know at Wilmer this year is one of the executive editors of the law review.

It sounds like c/o2015 DC wasn't as competitive. For ours it was crazy. I did well in other markets and got slaughtered in DC. There are DC firms that will take a look at you at 178 and URM probably helps a bit, but I just wouldn't expect any one firm in particular--it can be really random and unexpected who decides to call you back and who doesn't. What type of regulatory are you thinking about? Feel free to PM--that's what I was looking for last year as well.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Un Chien Andalou » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:52 pm

skers wrote:I think one thing to keep in mind about the Chicago market specifically since I don't know if anyone has touched on this (and hell this probably everything outside of NY) is just how small they are compared with NY. For example, if you're leaning corp in Chicago, once you get past K&E, Sidley, Latham, and Skadden, there aren't really that many choices left. And to compound that, those other firms may have lower gpa cut-offs, but they are actually a lot more fit oriented so they aren't really safeties to the extent you might think they are. OTOH, NY has firms w/ massive classes that aren't as selective either w/r/t grades or fit.
This is a very important consideration. There is a huge drop off in quality of transactional work in the city. And your gpa just goes a lot further in NYC as compared to Chicago. If you're really serious about NYC/Chicago transactional work then your bid list should be relatively easy to make.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:53 pm

skers wrote:I think one thing to keep in mind about the Chicago market specifically since I don't know if anyone has touched on this (and hell this probably everything outside of NY) is just how small they are compared with NY. For example, if you're leaning corp in Chicago, once you get past K&E, Sidley, Latham, and Skadden, there aren't really that many choices left. And to compound that, those other firms may have lower gpa cut-offs, but they are actually a lot more fit oriented so they aren't really safeties to the extent you might think they are. OTOH, NY has firms w/ massive classes that aren't as selective either w/r/t grades or fit.
This is a very important consideration. There is a huge drop off in quality of transactional work in the city. And your gpa just goes a lot further in NYC as compared to Chicago. If you're really serious about NYC/Chicago transactional work then your bid list should be relatively easy to make.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by WheninLaw » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just curious -- how selective are DC firms for reals? W&C, Covington, Hogan, WilmerHale DC??
Female/URM. ~178. No specific ties w/ DC but hoping for regulatory work.
Does anyone have any experience w/ them?
Very selective, although who knows with female/URM. If you are AA, even better.

Covington associates tell me it's a hard'ish 180 cutoff across offices for non-IP and 179.5 for IP. DC is probably even more selective.

W&C likes interesting people/personalities but have still tended to offer only LR types.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by 2014 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:44 pm

Beep's bidding guide is good I would only add that the biggest two factors are 1. interview slots and 2. perceived desirability (usually based on low selectivity and/or big class size).

The biggest class Chi firms and 21 slot NY firms will fill in the first 10 with few exceptions that aren't super predictable and so you usually have to choose the 5 or 6 of those that you like the most for whatever reason and stuff them up top. After that the choice is A.) more 21 slot NY/Chi firms at the risk of missing out on some of your top 10 bids, or B.) Desirable firms in Cali/DC/Texas or 42 slot NY firms with relative certainty.

It's really just a complicated game theory situation, you gotta go with your gut so long as it is guided by logic.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:12 pm

When a firm does a resume drop on symplicity, are we supposed to send an unoffical transcript or an official transcript?

(Whenever I order an official transcript, the pdf doesn't work)

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by N.P.H. » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:When a firm does a resume drop on symplicity, are we supposed to send an unoffical transcript or an official transcript?

(Whenever I order an official transcript, the pdf doesn't work)
Send an official for sure.

Try the uploadable .pdf

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Re: UChicago OCI 2015

Post by N.P.H. » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:25 pm

I think the bidding guide is in the oci alumni answering questions thread from last year. It's basically the same stuff that's been said ITT.

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