169, 3.71, First generation

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169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:15 pm

165, 169, 168 (re-took due to average practice scores in 170s; didn't happen on real thing)
3.71 in a competitive business honors program, finance major
First-generation college graduate
One year off after college to spend 6 months teaching English in China

Apps out to:
UCLA
Berkeley
Michigan
UT Austin

In at:
Vanderbilt

Considering applying to:
Georgetown
Duke
Columbia
Stanford (hail mary)

Would it be worth it to apply to these schools? What are my chances?

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby boblawlob » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:32 pm

Throw apps at every school on your list. Maybe also throw it at Northwestern as well.

You don't want to think "what if" especially with stats like that.

I'd say you're in at GULC and UCLA already.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:38 pm

boblawlob wrote:Throw apps at every school on your list. Maybe also throw it at Northwestern as well.

You don't want to think "what if" especially with stats like that.

I'd say you're in at GULC and UCLA already.


Thanks Boblawlob. But what did you mean by GULC?

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby suralin » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:40 pm

PunkedbyReality wrote:
boblawlob wrote:Throw apps at every school on your list. Maybe also throw it at Northwestern as well.

You don't want to think "what if" especially with stats like that.

I'd say you're in at GULC and UCLA already.


Thanks Boblawlob. But what did you mean by GULC?


Georgetown University Law Center

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:47 pm

Suralin wrote:
PunkedbyReality wrote:
boblawlob wrote:Throw apps at every school on your list. Maybe also throw it at Northwestern as well.

You don't want to think "what if" especially with stats like that.

I'd say you're in at GULC and UCLA already.


Thanks Boblawlob. But what did you mean by GULC?


Georgetown University Law Center


Oh alright, that's what I was guessing. Thanks

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:55 pm

Wormfather wrote:Non-URM 3.7/170 just got into NYU (non ED).

There's no school you dont have a chance at.


Wow, that's impressive.

Did they award you any scholarship money? And if not, do you still think it's worth it to go in light of the debt?

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby boblawlob » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:00 pm

PunkedbyReality wrote:
Wormfather wrote:Non-URM 3.7/170 just got into NYU (non ED).

There's no school you dont have a chance at.


Wow, that's impressive.

Did they award you any scholarship money? And if not, do you still think it's worth it to go in light of the debt?

I'm just a 0L, but personally I'd go to NYU sticker over somewhere like UCLA (2/3rd scholly). The market is tough in California and NYC is where you'd want to be. Plus you can move from NYC to CA (presumably if you want to work here in future) and find great work as an NYU JD, but you can't really do vice versa with UCLA (or well...it'll just be tougher).

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:15 pm

boblawlob wrote:
PunkedbyReality wrote:
Wormfather wrote:Non-URM 3.7/170 just got into NYU (non ED).

There's no school you dont have a chance at.


Wow, that's impressive.

Did they award you any scholarship money? And if not, do you still think it's worth it to go in light of the debt?

I'm just a 0L, but personally I'd go to NYU sticker over somewhere like UCLA (2/3rd scholly). The market is tough in California and NYC is where you'd want to be. Plus you can move from NYC to CA (presumably if you want to work here in future) and find great work as an NYU JD, but you can't really do vice versa with UCLA (or well...it'll just be tougher).


Yeah, good point. I'll have to see I guess. But the less debt the better with anything but the top 5 schools in my mind. Not too much more than the top 30% of graduating classes are getting the type of big firm jobs that take care of the debt at other schools. Unless the market improves by 2016. Dare to dream.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby Ti Malice » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:18 pm

PunkedbyReality wrote:165, 169, 168 (re-took due to average practice scores in 170s; didn't happen on real thing)
3.71 in a competitive business honors program, finance major
First-generation college graduate
One year off after college to spend 6 months teaching English in China

Apps out to:
UCLA
Berkeley
Michigan
UT Austin

In at:
Vanderbilt

Considering applying to:
Georgetown
Duke
Columbia
Stanford (hail mary)

Would it be worth it to apply to these schools? What are my chances?


You'll get into Texas. You have a good chance at both Michigan and UCLA. If you're not admitted directly, you'll ride the WL. Berkeley is very unlikely.

You should apply to all the schools that you're considering applying to, as well as a couple of others. You would have a strong shot at GULC. You will probably end up on the WL at Duke. Stanford is extremely unlikely, but perhaps you can put together a compelling app and beat the odds. It's worth the app fee just to have no regrets in the future, in my opinion. Your odds at CLS are only slightly better, but you should apply anyway.

Other schools you should apply to are NYU, Cornell, and USC. Your odds at NYU are probably between 15-25%. You're essentially a lock at Cornell. If you want to practice in southern CA, you should look at USC; it has the same clout there as UCLA. You would be a lock at USC, possibly with good money.

Even if you're certain you wouldn't want to attend some of these schools, acceptances and scholarship offers could be very helpful in negotiating for more scholarship money from your preferred choices.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby Doorkeeper » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:20 pm

Throw apps to Cornell and Georgetown. You have great shots at those two.

Might as well apply to NYU, Duke, Northwestern, and UVA. You have a low shot at being admitted to each, but there's a great chance of being WL.

If you apply to Columbia, you'll be WL.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:22 pm

Ti Malice wrote:
PunkedbyReality wrote:165, 169, 168 (re-took due to average practice scores in 170s; didn't happen on real thing)
3.71 in a competitive business honors program, finance major
First-generation college graduate
One year off after college to spend 6 months teaching English in China

Apps out to:
UCLA
Berkeley
Michigan
UT Austin

In at:
Vanderbilt

Considering applying to:
Georgetown
Duke
Columbia
Stanford (hail mary)

Would it be worth it to apply to these schools? What are my chances?


You'll get into Texas. You have a good chance at both Michigan and UCLA. If you're not admitted directly, you'll ride the WL. Berkeley is very unlikely.

You should apply to all the schools that you're considering applying to, as well as a couple of others. You would have a strong shot at GULC. You will probably end up on the WL at Duke. Stanford is extremely unlikely, but perhaps you can put together a compelling app and beat the odds. It's worth the app fee just to have no regrets in the future, in my opinion. Your odds at CLS are only slightly better, but you should apply anyway.

Other schools you should apply to are NYU, Cornell, and USC. Your odds at NYU are probably between 15-25%. You're essentially a lock at Cornell. If you want to practice in southern CA, you should look at USC; it has the same clout there as UCLA. You would be a lock at USC, possibly with good money.

Even if you're certain you wouldn't want to attend some of these schools, acceptances and scholarship offers could be very helpful in negotiating for more scholarship money from your preferred choices.


This was great advice and really helpful. Thanks a lot for taking the time.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:28 pm

Gotcha, Wormfather. I hadn't heard that actually. I talk to a few people from UT Austin all the time because I live in Austin, and they're really after big law so it has probably over-informed my take on it all. Truth be told, I don't want big law really either because I probably wouldn't enjoy the work. But it just seems like it's the only way to get out from under the debt if you don't get some good scholarship money.

So how are these ones who don't want big law and didn't get scholly money swinging it? Loan repayment assistance?

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby LRGhost » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:10 pm

You'll probably be in at GULC bro

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby izha » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:05 pm

PunkedbyReality wrote:So how are these ones who don't want big law and didn't get scholly money swinging it? Loan repayment assistance?

They star in porno movies.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby nebula666 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:14 pm

UCLA - In
Michigan - In
UT Austin - In
Georgetown - In
Duke - In/ WL
Columbia - Out / WL
Stanford - Out
Berkeley - Out

If you retake, 2-3 more points will open up CCN and a lot of $ the rest of the T14.

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Re: 169, 3.71, First generation

Postby PunkedbyReality » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:02 am

nebula666 wrote:UCLA - In
Michigan - In
UT Austin - In
Georgetown - In
Duke - In/ WL
Columbia - Out / WL
Stanford - Out
Berkeley - Out

If you retake, 2-3 more points will open up CCN and a lot of $ the rest of the T14.


I was under the impression that taking it more than 3 times looks bad. Otherwise I would because I was averaging in the low to mid 170s prior to the last one.




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