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Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:19 pm

My question is what happens if I decline a "binding" early decision admission offer? Please do not speculate. Can I pay the deposit and let them take somebody off the waiting list. Can I be sued for such an action? If there are proposed sanctions by LSAC, am I entitled to a hearing?

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby IAFG » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:20 pm

jdmonkey wrote:My question is what happens if I decline a "binding" early decision admission offer? Please do not speculate. Can I pay the deposit and let them take somebody off the waiting list. Can I be sued for such an action? If there are proposed sanctions by LSAC, am I entitled to a hearing?

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby dingbat » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:06 pm

I'm fairly certain you can decline and withdraw, but you cannot apply/accept anywhere else this cycle.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:16 pm

If I did accept at another law school what sanctions could the original school take? If the original law school is in a separate state, do you know what court could enforce this agreement and what the financial penalties could be?

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby kalvano » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:19 pm

No court needed. They will rescind your acceptance. You're not the first 0L contracts genius to try and get around it.

And yes, schools do share who applied and was admitted binding ED.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Ludo! » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:21 pm

kalvano wrote:No court needed. They will rescind your acceptance. You're not the first 0L contracts genius to try and get around it.

And yes, schools do share who applied and was admitted binding ED.


Yup.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Ti Malice » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:54 pm

You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year. As others have said, schools share info through the LSAC. No other school will allow you to enroll this year.

You should have thought this over more carefully before making a binding commitment to attend your ED school if accepted. You can't game this. Better luck next year.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Grazzhoppa » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:58 pm

Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year. As others have said, schools share info through the LSAC. No other school will allow you to enroll this year.

You should have thought this over more carefully before making a binding commitment to attend your ED school if accepted. You can't game this. Better luck next year.


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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby emkay625 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:07 pm

I have one friend who successfully did this. They had a very unfortunate situation though- their mother was diagnosed with cancer and they needed to withdraw from their ED school and attend their hometown school because they needed to be there to help with her care- they had no other family. The school was very understanding. Short of a situation like that, I don't think you can do this. And this isn't something you can fake either- they had to submit copies of medical paperwork.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:13 am

Thank you everybody for the candor. I like pushing the envelope, but I think this stunt would be going too far.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Nickg415 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:11 pm

I've thought about this when I found I got my ED. I never planned on doing it since I am ecstatic about my acceptance but it was just fun to run through a few what if scenarios. The most probable I came around to was possibly deferring a year at the accepted school that you did not ED to and the withdraw from your ED school. You will want to do this as soon as possible obviously. I don't know if this would work but it was the most plausible way to go about it that I could think of. Personally I think you should have to go to your ED school since it is pretty dumb to take such a commitment lightly.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Ti Malice » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:59 pm

Nickg415 wrote:The most probable I came around to was possibly deferring a year at the accepted school that you did not ED to and the withdraw from your ED school. You will want to do this as soon as possible obviously. I don't know if this would work but it was the most plausible way to go about it that I could think of.


Would not work. Once again, schools share info about ED applicants. This strategy is not so clever that schools have failed to anticipate it.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:27 pm

We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby NoodleyOne » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:37 pm

jdmonkey wrote:We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby dingbat » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:47 pm

jdmonkey wrote:We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.

not true. Also, you're talking about trying to outsmart the guys who wrote the book on it

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:08 pm

Sorry I mean try to find a loophole. Of course sometimes one doesn't exit, which appears to be the case here.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby vanwinkle » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:19 pm

Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year.

This wouldn't necessarily work. I've known of at least one T14 ED applicant who tried to withdraw like this, and the school's responded with, "We are happy to defer your Early Decision acceptance to the [following] year."

If you ED and get accepted, you should expect to either attend that school or not attend anywhere anytime soon.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Ti Malice » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:20 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year.

This wouldn't necessarily work. I've known of at least one T14 ED applicant who tried to withdraw like this, and the school's responded with, "We are happy to defer your Early Decision acceptance to the [following] year."

If you ED and get accepted, you should expect to either attend that school or not attend anywhere anytime soon.


Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Teflon_Don » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:37 pm

What If you get reconstructive plastic surgery for a year and use a stolen identity to gain a year in law school of your choice. Then transfer to your dream school... Oh Nevermind, you're screwed regardless of what you do.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby sinfiery » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:46 pm

They can rescind acceptances right?

I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.

You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby jdmonkey » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:53 pm

Hahahaha. That would be hilarious.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby suralin » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:06 am

sinfiery wrote:They can rescind acceptances right?

I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.

You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.


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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby dingbat » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:08 am

sinfiery wrote:They can rescind acceptances right?

I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.

You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.

Depending on the school, anything short of taking the dean hostage might not get them to give up a paying student

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:22 am

Ti Malice wrote:Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.

The ED contract doesn't typically say "X agrees to attend Y Law School for the Class of 2016." It says "X agrees to attend Y Law School." It's not the ED school binding you in future years, you bound yourself when you agreed to those terms.

If you wish to permanently withdraw your app, that's fine, they can't compel you to attend their school. But they can keep you from attending other schools.

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Re: Declining Early Decision

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:39 am

vanwinkle wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.

The ED contract doesn't typically say "X agrees to attend Y Law School for the Class of 2016." It says "X agrees to attend Y Law School." It's not the ED school binding you in future years, you bound yourself when you agreed to those terms.

If you wish to permanently withdraw your app, that's fine, they can't compel you to attend their school. But they can keep you from attending other schools.


Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't aware that ED apps aren't usually year-specific.




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