stugots26 wrote:I get a little annoyed when people on here don't consider a PhD in the hard sciences to mean much.
While the few classes I took may practice grade inflation, and that may be the case why my graduate GPA was almost 4, I was doing research and teaching as well from the week I arrived in the program.
I ran my own lab and performed independent research approximately 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, 50.5 weeks a year for slave wages for 6 years in a stinky lab, inhaling fumes, that no one working in "the real world" would ever have put up with. I had annual reviews, progress reports, and regular oversight, despite no financial incentive to produce results and no reasonable, predicted graduation schedule. It was the hardest thing in the world to come in to work the morning after an important reaction failed and find a way to work around the problem. I handled the extra weight as a TA that the rent-a-lecturer organic professors weren't willing to pull, and oftentime felt like I was lecturing myself. I wager that I had just as much real world experience as anyone else on this forum.
My graduate career matured me as an individual far beyond the person who got such a low undergraduate GPA, as the letter of recommendation from my advisor will attest. My research made the cover of a major scientific journal in February. I built character and serious, professional academic skills, and as much as an undergraduate GPA should be taken into consideration, so should all that I've accomplished and done to grow above it in the years since.
It sounds like your work is very admirable. But does it necessarily translate to law school success? If a Barry Bonds has a great batting average in baseball, does that mean he will win on the next season of Top Chef? If Stephen Hawking has the mental capacity to unravel mysteries of the universe, does it mean that he is also going to be well-suited to leading a Fortune 500 company? Josh Groban is a pretty talented musician. I suppose that means he has a compelling case that he would also have the aptitude to pick up a scalpel and perform brain surgery?
The point I'm trying to make is that different disciplines require different aptitudes. And there are yardsticks applied to measure those aptitudes. And most law school admissions committees feel that your undergrad GPA and LSAT score are the two most important yardsticks to measure the aptitudes that THEY (i.e., not you) feel are important to determining the likelihood of your success in THEIR program. You can't get around that, and being successful in one field doesn't mean much to the gatekeepers of a completely different field if you don't have the numbers to back it up.
As is known, NU is the one top law school in which they choose to allow the GMAT. You can try applying to NU with the GMAT, but I really believe that you are not the type of candidate they had in mind who should be using a GMAT instead of the LSAT, and I feel it will be frowned upon and your chances of admission are low. The GMAT would be appropriate for business professionals and/or people who have high GPA's. I hope that you do send an application and can come back here and tell us all off and give us a big "I told you so!" I really do. That said, it is too late in the cycle to have even a chance. You should really apply ED next cycle, and then I feel that you do have a chance. But your chances will be strongest with a high LSAT. Even though NU says the GMAT is weighted equally to the LSAT, I think that they have certain expectations of who should be using each type of test, and the LSAT is still more important in USNWR rankings. No matter how much adcomms may try to lie through their teeth about the importance of USNWR rankings, it is well known that they are of utmost importance to the law school's interests. As far as stats go, without an LSAT, you lack the benefit of being a splitter (which NU is friendly towards), but rather, you're a guy with low GPA and no LSAT to offset, and GMAT's aren't reportable in USNWR. Low GPA's require special mitigation on applications. That's why I don't think the GMAT will get you in in this case. Even a 750 GMAT, compared by percentile, is only equal to a ~170 LSAT, and 170 is too low for you to have a chance at NU with the low GPA.
If I were you, here is what I would do:
-Prepare diligently for LSAT and try to achieve at least a 172. If you're as smart as you think, this shouldn't be a big deal. And in reality it isn't. Go to twitter and search "LSAT"... I don't think you'll find your competition to be that intimidating.
-Get recommendation letters from professors, not advisers. Academic adviser LOR's are frowned by adcomms upon because they have no perspective on your academic performance other than second-hand accounts. Those second-hand accounts are usually transcripts, to make matters worse.
-Go to the personal statement forum and do a lot of research in figuring out a way to sell the value of your experience in science to a graduate program specializing in legal studies. Swap PS's with another user.
-Write a compelling GPA addendum. Shouldn't be hard. You were in a tough program at UPenn and it's in the past.
-Apply ED to NU next cycle.
This is the best advice I can give. If it were easy to get into a top law school, they wouldn't exactly be "tops" now would they? It's possible, but not likely by any means with current stats.
PS: A PhD and JD? I hope you're not just trying to notch your belt compensate for anything... trust me, no amount of degrees makes your penis bigger.