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Polybius
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Shooting too high?

Postby Polybius » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:21 am

Just wondering if I may be shooting too high and should consider applying to some lower-ranked schools. 167 (out of the country and no chance for a retake) 3.85 HYP; applied to HYSCCV (for which I know my numbers are sub-par, but I thought it was worth a shot), Cornell, Georgetown, and Northwestern. Above-average softs but nothing mind-blowing (some publications, founder/president of a few clubs, competitive fellowships but nothing on the scale of Marshall/Rhodes, DI athlete, grew up speaking several foreign languages at home, am currently pursuing a graduate degree outside the US).

The reason I ask is because I was recently "held" at Georgetown, which is putting some doubts into my mind about the rest of my cycle.

Thanks for your input!

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well-hello-there
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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby well-hello-there » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:46 am

There's nothing wrong with shooting too high if you have properly hedged your bets with some lower schools. If I were you, I'd apply to about 6 more in the teens and 2 in the 20's

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby DieAntwoord » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:46 am

You should throw duke, texas, penn, berk, ucla, vandy, and michigan into the mix. or at least some of those.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby xmrmckenziex » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:23 pm

These are only slightly "above-average" softs?

Maybe I have only read a small unrepresentative sample of law school applicants, but I think you are slightly discrediting yourself.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:33 pm

Polybius wrote:The reason I ask is because I was recently "held" at Georgetown, which is putting some doubts into my mind about the rest of my cycle.


Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby thecilent » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:35 pm

This thread reeks of anti-nyu trolling.

Also, I agree with dieant

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:36 pm

xmrmckenziex wrote:These are only slightly "above-average" softs?

Maybe I have only read a small unrepresentative sample of law school applicants, but I think you are slightly discrediting yourself.


As far as T14 applicants go, those softs are slightly above average.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby thecilent » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:36 pm

xmrmckenziex wrote:These are only slightly "above-average" softs?

Maybe I have only read a small unrepresentative sample of law school applicants, but I think you are slightly discrediting yourself.


What more do you want? I think "above-average" is correct here.

Edit: HWood beat me to it.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby Grizz » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:17 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Polybius wrote:The reason I ask is because I was recently "held" at Georgetown, which is putting some doubts into my mind about the rest of my cycle.


Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.


This. 167 is not good for T14. Or the 15-17, but your GPA may save you.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:22 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.


I'm not a big fan of safeties. If you can't get into a school you would be 100% happy graduating from then you should retake. That's my philosophy anyway -- it isn't like law school is a fool proof investment these days.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:41 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.


I'm not a big fan of safeties. If you can't get into a school you would be 100% happy graduating from then you should retake. That's my philosophy anyway -- it isn't like law school is a fool proof investment these days.


It all depends on how you view safeties. For me personally, there are reaches--schools you would kill to attend but know you won't get into, matches--schools you have a decent shot at (but nowhere near a guarantee), safeties--schools you would be satisfied with attending if everything else goes wrong, and super-safeties--schools you applied to out of rejection paranoia.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby JusticeHarlan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:34 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Polybius wrote:The reason I ask is because I was recently "held" at Georgetown, which is putting some doubts into my mind about the rest of my cycle.


Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.

OP has a shot at ED to UVA with a 3.85/167, assuming that GPA isn't rounded up.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby Grizz » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:47 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
Georgetown was a reach. You are below their 25 %ile LSAT. Your only true T14 shots are at Berkeley and Cornell.

Depending on where you want to work, add some T30 safeties like WUSTL, BU, GW, etc.


I'm not a big fan of safeties. If you can't get into a school you would be 100% happy graduating from then you should retake. That's my philosophy anyway -- it isn't like law school is a fool proof investment these days.


For me the safeties were the ones where I wanted to see how much money I could squeeze out of 'em. But my targets ponied up, so it didn't matter.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby bergg007 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:52 pm

go for berkeley they love diversity and your record is filled with it.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby kkklick » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Any GPA dominant school will take you, but for the cream of the crop you should aim for a higher LSAT.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby Ragged » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:03 pm

Yes. Should apply outside of T-14. If you really want T-14 though, the answer is always the same: retake.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby kkklick » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:01 am

If you have the money to spend, apply everywhere you can.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby neonx » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:40 am

This thread was dead wrong--as someone with almost identical stats. I'm glad I didn't take the harsh advice dispensed here.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby well-hello-there » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:23 am

neonx wrote:This thread was dead wrong--as someone with almost identical stats. I'm glad I didn't take the harsh advice dispensed here.

clearly you didn't read this thread.

And I'm willing to bet that it was less of your personality that shined through on your apps. and more of something else that got you accepted into Columbia and NYU and an all expense paid visit to UCLA. WITH A 167!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! YEAH RIGHT!

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby plurilingue » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:35 pm

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby keg411 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:59 pm

OP probably has a good shot at Cornell.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby Grizz » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:20 pm

neonx wrote:This thread was dead wrong--as someone with almost identical stats. I'm glad I didn't take the harsh advice dispensed here.


enthralling saga, home slice

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby rayiner » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:33 pm

HYP makes you better than all the other 3.85/167s.

NU will take you (if you have WE). Duke/Michigan/Penn are worth apps.

I'm sure you'll get T14.

Though if you take a year to work and you could retake for 170+ and be HYP+HYS.

Double Harvard is a total panty dropper - consider it.

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby well-hello-there » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:20 am

plurilingue wrote:
well-hello-there wrote:
neonx wrote:This thread was dead wrong--as someone with almost identical stats. I'm glad I didn't take the harsh advice dispensed here.

clearly you didn't read this thread.

And I'm willing to bet that it was less of your personality that shined through on your apps. and more of something else that got you accepted into Columbia and NYU and an all expense paid visit to UCLA. WITH A 167!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! YEAH RIGHT!


What?? neonx put together an excellent application and they liked it -- why is that so hard to believe?

^outed as neonx alt

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Re: Shooting too high?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:34 am

xmrmckenziex wrote:These are only slightly "above-average" softs?

Maybe I have only read a small unrepresentative sample of law school applicants, but I think you are slightly discrediting yourself.


They are only above-average at the level at which OP is applying, not in general.




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