0L Ladies - Female C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:37 pm

Welcome!

After the Duke Debacle of '15, I thought it might be nice to have a friendly space for female-identifying applicants to talk about things like class gender ratios, breaking into the (big)law boys' club, etc. Or, you know, succulents or Leslie Knope gifs or whatever. Lurkers are welcome, nay, encouraged!

Entering Class Gender Ratios (Female:Male, Class of 2018)
~~~UNDER CONSTRUCTION~~~

Yale

Harvard

Stanford

Chicago

Columbia

NYU: 54:46

Penn

Duke: 40:60

Berkeley: 62:38

Virginia: 46:54

Michigan: 50:50

Northwestern

Cornell

Georgetown

Poll Results

Who is your favorite fictional heroine?
What are your career goals?

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:38 pm

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LadyProspero · Post by **LadyProspero** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:40 pm

Checking in! I missed all the fun in the Duke thread, sounds like I'm going to have to go get caught up!

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:44 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:Checking in! It does not surprise me that the two places where talk of gender disparities blew up were in the UVA and Duke forums....

Ha absolutely. But you know what they say...

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:50 pm

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A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:57 pm

I am dying to know what these debacles were.

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:01 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I am dying to know what these debacles were.

Just some fellow 0Ls in the Duke thread suggesting that the gender imbalance in certain law schools/the legal profession in general is due to inherent differences between men and women and therefore shouldn't necessarily be remedied.

It was actually very civil and we're all still friends with the boys!

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:02 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:07 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:
ETA: scooped by barley

Yeah, but you said it better

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:09 pm

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A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:20 pm

They're probably lucky I don't usually read the school specific applicant threads.

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:29 pm

I recently read a fascinating article about white privilege - I really wish I remembered the details for it. Basically, it was about how people are much more willing to accept the premise that other groups are discriminated against, than the fact that they actually benefit from it. What happened in the Duke thread sort of reminded me of it, though substituting male privilege for white privilege.

It really resonated with me because, despite how liberal and gung-ho about racial justice I am, I still experience that same sense of... injury, almost... when I think about things like URM-boosts. I definitely agree 100% with affirmative action on principle, but there's a sort of visceral reaction that takes place when I realize that someone with lower stats than me might be accepted somewhere I won't be. For an instant, I feel like I've been wronged because I'm not being given the same "advantage" (then quickly have to remind myself how many lifelong advantages I enjoy).

ETA: I found the article. Actually it's not really that similar to the situation at hand, but still a great read.

kjm1992 · Post by **kjm1992** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:13 pm

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alpha kenny body · Post by **alpha kenny body** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:16 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:I am dying to know what these debacles were.
I believe they can be summed up as follows:

One of us ladies: Don't like that X school has such a low percentage of ladies

All the boys: WHAT IT'S NOT THE SCHOOL'S FAULT THIS IS JUST AN OUTLIER YEAR ANYWAYS GUYS SCORE HIGHER ANYWAYS SO IT'S NOT THE SCHOOL'S FAULT AND GIRLS BIOLOGICALLY ARE LESS INCLINED TO BE LAWYERS SO HOW CAN THE SCHOOL FORCE 50/50 GENDER NUMBERS???

ETA: scooped by barley

It was UVA, not Duke. HTH. Sincerely, Debacle Antagonist

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:18 pm

Well, I was absolutely just reading that in the Duke thread, so if you didn't think it was there, the UVA thread must have been REALLY bad for you actually to notice it. Or the Duke and UVA applicants share disturbing similarities.

Generally · Post by **Generally** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:20 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:28 pm

kjm1992 wrote:love this

Welcome!

alpha kenny body · Post by **alpha kenny body** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:36 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Well, I was absolutely just reading that in the Duke thread, so if you didn't think it was there, the UVA thread must have been REALLY bad for you actually to notice it. Or the Duke and UVA applicants share disturbing similarities.

Ah, I suppose it carried over to the Duke Thread, although its origins lie in the UVA thread.

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:09 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:09 pm

Anyone have any fun (or serious) poll ideas??

Hildegard15 · Post by **Hildegard15** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:18 pm

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barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:27 pm

Hildegard15 wrote:
barley wrote:Anyone have any fun (or serious) poll ideas??
Favorite fictional heroines?

Favorite real life heroines?

Biggest concern for future career as a lawyer?

Wonderful! Poll up.

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:28 pm

Who's my voting twin.

woc · Post by **woc** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:39 pm

Checking in. Hi!

barley · Post by **barley** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:55 pm

Oops I accidentally deleted the poll, but fixed it.

woc wrote:Checking in because ♡ succulents. Hi!

Welcome!