Splitter Results for 2012-2013 App Cycle Forum

[andy261]

Nice, congrats! Always heartening when non-URMs outperform their numbers.

Yikes.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, just meant it in a 'gives me hope as a non-URM' kind of way.

[pedestrian]

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[subtle]

Nice, congrats! Always heartening when non-URMs outperform their numbers.

Yikes.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, just meant it in a 'gives me hope as a non-URM' kind of way.

Ah, ok. Sorry, it came off a little great-white-hopey to me. FWIW I'm non-URM and I've waaay outperformed my cycle and I've seen lots of others have too. I've also seen lots of URMs underperform.

I think it's a little weird how we try to split it into URM/non-URM when there are literally dozens of factors. For example, veterans and legacy applicants get a boost but I never see anyone respond to a good cycle by asking, veteran? legacy? It would be strange to say, "good to see non-veterans do well." I think that the "URM=autoadmit" assumption is a little unfair and makes this an uncomfortable space for URM applicants.

Anyway, I'm glad you didn't mean to offend and I'm not trying to start a fight. Just my $0.02

*clap*

[andy261]

Nice, congrats! Always heartening when non-URMs outperform their numbers.

Yikes.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, just meant it in a 'gives me hope as a non-URM' kind of way.

Ah, ok. Sorry, it came off a little great-white-hopey to me. FWIW I'm non-URM and I've waaay outperformed my cycle and I've seen lots of others have too. I've also seen lots of URMs underperform.

I think it's a little weird how we try to split it into URM/non-URM when there are literally dozens of factors. For example, veterans and legacy applicants get a boost but I never see anyone respond to a good cycle by asking, veteran? legacy? It would be strange to say, "good to see non-veterans do well." I think that the "URM=autoadmit" assumption is a little unfair and makes this an uncomfortable space for URM applicants.

Anyway, I'm glad you didn't mean to offend and I'm not trying to start a fight. Just my $0.02

To preface, I'm a non-white non-URM. I don't think think anyone ever said URM=autoadmit, but it is pretty clear from this website, admissions reps, LSN, etc. that URMs get a significantly more noticeable boost than any other soft, including veterans or legacy. I mean, even just looking at LSN for Chicago this cycle, notatlien was the only non-URM admitted outside of the 'cluster.' There's one other but their username is a variation of 'chicano' so I'd assume they're URM. Coincidentally/anecdotally, there's another user with almost identical stats as 'chicano' who was a veteran and only got waitlisted.

Anyways, I'm not trying to discredit URM applicants at all because I'm sure many of them have different and/or unique life experiences, and it's not at all like they just get into a top school automatically. But at the same time, it would be foolish to see admitted URMs with similar numbers to me or just below medians in general and think that I would have the same chance too.

[Solistus]

Update:

3.32 GPA, 176 LSAT, late applicant (2/1 for most schools)

In at: Northwestern, Texas ($), Minnesota($$$$), George Washington ($$), William & Mary ($$$), UC Davis

Waitlisted at: Vanderbilt, Washington, Georgetown, Virginia

Waiting to hear from: NYU, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, Michigan, Cornell, UCLA, USC

edit 3/15: WL at gtown, see new post below

edit 3/18: WL at UVA

[slowboat]

2.90
170
Non-URM

UPenn: WL
UCLA, UCI: pending

[T3chn0viking]

2.6
169
Non-URM
Apps Submitted in January

In:
W&M (30K)
WUSTL (30K)
Tulane (90K)
Minnesota (84K)
Cardozo (105K)
Indiana (60K)
Hastings
GW

Waitlisted:
Fordham
Colorado

Still waiting:
Georgetown
Davis
USF

Good luck fellow splitters : )

[BitterSplitter]

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[francesfarmer]

Update:

3.32 GPA, 176 LSAT, late applicant (2/1 for most schools)

In at: Northwestern, Texas ($), Minnesota($$$$), George Washington ($$), William & Mary ($$$), UC Davis

Waitlisted at: Vanderbilt, Washington

Waiting to hear from: NYU, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, Virginia, Michigan, Georgetown, Cornell, UCLA, USC

You should reapply next cycle if you don't at least get MVP. Your LSAT is way higher than mine and our GPAs are basically the same and you should get MVP is what I'm saying. This makes no sense. Its too early.

[lyra4]

I'm not sure that I'm a splitter, but I had a pretty darn low GPA, so I'll assume that I am. 3.08 GPA (computer science at top 5 liberal arts college) / 164. 10 years of software engineering work experience (Microsoft/Google/startups) with software patents.

GMU- admitted (instate GI Bill, so free)
W&M - admitted, fellowship (also instate GI Bill, so free)
University of Maryland - admitted
Fordham - admitted
Temple- admitted
University of Richmond - admitted, $$ that would cover the GI Bill gap
Seattle U - admitted
Lewis & Clark - admitted
American - admitted
University of Houston - admitted, $$$$
Seton Hall - admitted, $$$$
Washington & Lee- waitlist
UW - waitlist
Georgetown - waitlist

Still haven't heard back from:
University of Alabama, UVA, George Washington

Going to go to GMU because of the tech and law program and no cost of living expenses.

[jbagelboy]

Update:

3.32 GPA, 176 LSAT, late applicant (2/1 for most schools)

In at: Northwestern, Texas ($), Minnesota($$$$), George Washington ($$), William & Mary ($$$), UC Davis

Waitlisted at: Vanderbilt, Washington

Waiting to hear from: NYU, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, Virginia, Michigan, Georgetown, Cornell, UCLA, USC

You should reapply next cycle if you don't at least get MVP. Your LSAT is way higher than mine and our GPAs are basically the same and you should get MVP is what I'm saying. This makes no sense. Its too early.

Well he hasn't heard back from MVP yet, could still happen... I know your numbers are slightly off frances, but when you hit the top 10 GPA floors set in hardcore and there's a big difference between a 3.3 and a 3.5 (no offense to anyone).

[francesfarmer]

Update:

3.32 GPA, 176 LSAT, late applicant (2/1 for most schools)

In at: Northwestern, Texas ($), Minnesota($$$$), George Washington ($$), William & Mary ($$$), UC Davis

Waitlisted at: Vanderbilt, Washington

Waiting to hear from: NYU, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, Virginia, Michigan, Georgetown, Cornell, UCLA, USC

You should reapply next cycle if you don't at least get MVP. Your LSAT is way higher than mine and our GPAs are basically the same and you should get MVP is what I'm saying. This makes no sense. Its too early.

Well he hasn't heard back from MVP yet, could still happen... I know your numbers are slightly off frances, but when you hit the top 10 GPA floors set in hardcore and there's a big difference between a 3.3 and a 3.5 (no offense to anyone).

You are correct but I don't have a 3.5

[jbagelboy]

You are correct but I don't have a 3.5

Fair enough, and I do fully understand why you aren't full disclosing/I'm sure you'll update when your cycle is done... but if you are significantly below 3.5, then since that is a rather critical tipping point I don't think your profile stats convey a very instructive expectation to others with similar considerations

[francesfarmer]

You are correct but I don't have a 3.5

Fair enough, and I do fully understand why you aren't full disclosing/I'm sure you'll update when your cycle is done... but if you are significantly below 3.5, then since that is a rather critical tipping point I don't think your profile stats convey a very instructive expectation to others with similar considerations

I adjusted my LSAT down to make up for it. My actual stats are posted in this thread. Someone with a 171 and 3.5 would have a better cycle than me anyway.

Edit: and my real stats are on LSN which is where the real helpful data comes from anyway

[Rahviveh]

Regardless of whether you are at 3.5 or below MVP is a real crapshoot for a splitter. Striking out at all three is a common occurrence.

However, it sounds like the late app is really hurting him. He should be getting into Gtown and Cornell with ease.

[badams91]

3.3, 176

In: NYU, UCLA, UCI, LMU

Held: Columbia

WL: Penn, Georgetown, UVA

Reject: Berkley, Michigan

Pending: Stanford, chicago

[Rahviveh]

3.3, 176

In: NYU, UCLA, UCI, LMU

Held: Columbia

WL: Penn, Georgetown, UVA

Reject: Berkley, Michigan

Pending: Stanford, chicago

Congrats on NYU!!!

[badams91]

3.3, 176

In: NYU, UCLA, UCI, LMU

Held: Columbia

WL: Penn, Georgetown, UVA

Reject: Berkley, Michigan

Pending: Stanford, chicago

Congrats on NYU!!!

Thanks!! it came outta nowhere after 3 months of silence

[Solistus]

Another update: "preferred waitlist" at Georgetown. I assume waitlist means not much chance at scholarship money, and I already have better offers on the table IMO than Gtown at sticker, so I'm probably gonna withdraw from the WL pool.

NU hasn't announced aid decisions yet, and since they don't start considering aid offers till March I wasn't a late applicant on the fin. aid front. I'm hopeful that they won't ask me to pay sticker. If they do, I'll probably try to leverage my UT offer to change their mind ($45k, and I'm in-state which knocks quite a bit off the COA)... If they still don't budge and I don't get into CCN/MVP, I'll have to think about waiting till next year and re-applying, but I've already got a couple years off since undergrad and I really don't want to delay another year.

I would strongly consider going to NU over MVP, depending on aid offers of course. I would much rather work in Illinois than in Michigan, Virginia, or Pennsylvania (I'd also like NY/DC/CA if possible, but it seems like being in a legal market I would be happy working in would be a pretty big plus). From what I've read, NU seems to outperform its USNews ranking in terms of job placement by a good margin. I also like the idea of a slightly older student body (nothing against you KJDs out there, but I took a couple years off after undergrad and it would be cool to have classmates with similar experiences).

Cornell is kind of a wild card. I'm really not sure how I feel about Cornell Law. I know some people at Cornell, and have some ties to the region from undergrad, but I would need to do a lot more research on their job placement stats in NY.

[jbagelboy]

Another update: "preferred waitlist" at Georgetown. I assume waitlist means not much chance at scholarship money, and I already have better offers on the table IMO than Gtown at sticker, so I'm probably gonna withdraw from the WL pool.

NU hasn't announced aid decisions yet, and since they don't start considering aid offers till March I wasn't a late applicant on the fin. aid front. I'm hopeful that they won't ask me to pay sticker. If they do, I'll probably try to leverage my UT offer to change their mind ($45k, and I'm in-state which knocks quite a bit off the COA)... If they still don't budge and I don't get into CCN/MVP, I'll have to think about waiting till next year and re-applying, but I've already got a couple years off since undergrad and I really don't want to delay another year.

I would strongly consider going to NU over MVP, depending on aid offers of course. I would much rather work in Illinois than in Michigan, Virginia, or Pennsylvania (I'd also like NY/DC/CA if possible, but it seems like being in a legal market I would be happy working in would be a pretty big plus). From what I've read, NU seems to outperform its USNews ranking in terms of job placement by a good margin. I also like the idea of a slightly older student body (nothing against you KJDs out there, but I took a couple years off after undergrad and it would be cool to have classmates with similar experiences).

Cornell is kind of a wild card. I'm really not sure how I feel about Cornell Law. I know some people at Cornell, and have some ties to the region from undergrad, but I would need to do a lot more research on their job placement stats in NY.

Hey, first good luck with all those schools! with that LSAT I'm sure you'll get some really good snags as schools try to fill out their LSAT median.

I'm not sure taking another year off would do much good if you're a few years out, since this cycle is supposed to be one of the best, and if your going to hit a GPA floor issue, that won't change. Also, Michigan, Virginia, and Penn are not regional schools -- they place into all major markets (take a look at nationwide placement stats). So its unlikely you would be practicing law in virginia if you went to UVA, or michigan if you went there; it doesn't really work like that in the top 10 range.

I think NU is a great choice too (I'm also waiting on their aid package) and probably worth it even at sticker since you will definitely get a biglaw job if you want one.

[BitterSplitter]

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[wannabelawstudent]

These next few weeks are ours! Seize the day splitters

[BitterSplitter]

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[KingFish]

how are all the splitters doing with their cycles? hope it's going well..anyone have any front runners as far as offers go?

I'm getting killed.

[sc-123]

how are all the splitters doing with their cycles? hope it's going well..anyone have any front runners as far as offers go?

I'm getting killed.

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