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[HarlandBassett]

Decent stats.
Great campus.
TLS/LSN lawschool is gonna kick Cornell out of the T14

money buys LSAT scores
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/June12/LawGift.html

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[dextermorgan]

Proof that LSN is unrepresentative of the overall applicant pool?

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[dextermorgan]

Proof that LSN is unrepresentative of the overall applicant pool?

Haha not quite.... I actually think that LSN represents the applicant pool pretty well (although I have an (unproven) hunch that the LSAT scores are a litter higher and GPAs a little lower than the rest of the pool). More than anything, though, I really just want to see what % of the pool LSN is capturing for each school in any given year. (After doing that, it might be interesting to see if we TLS/LSNers really are that much different than the rest of the pool.)

So you really think that the median of all applicants is 168/3.71?

Where are the bottom 150 schools getting their students from?

[TheThriller]

Proof that LSN is unrepresentative of the overall applicant pool?

Haha not quite.... I actually think that LSN represents the applicant pool pretty well (although I have an (unproven) hunch that the LSAT scores are a litter higher and GPAs a little lower than the rest of the pool). More than anything, though, I really just want to see what % of the pool LSN is capturing for each school in any given year. (After doing that, it might be interesting to see if we TLS/LSNers really are that much different than the rest of the pool.)

So you really think that the median of all applicants is 168/3.71?

Where are the bottom 150 schools getting their students from?

Median of students on LSN.

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[dextermorgan]

So you really think that the median of all applicants is 168/3.71? Where are the bottom 150 schools getting their students from?

Sorry... I was referring to "applicants" as in "applicants to the T14," not those to Thomas M. Cooley Law School and the like.

I missed that. Oops. Carry on.

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[geary86]

So you really think that the median of all applicants is 168/3.71? Where are the bottom 150 schools getting their students from?

Sorry... I was referring to "applicants" as in "applicants to the T14," not those to Thomas M. Cooley Law School and the like.

I missed that. Oops. Carry on.

Haha no you didn't miss anything; I failed to say it.

Anyway, does anyone know what cycle any given year's ABA Law School Guide refers to? For example, will the 2009 Guidebook refer to the 2007-2008 cycle, or does it go even further back than that to the 2006-2007 cycle?

The current one "ABA Official Guide 2013 Edition" refers to the 2010-2011 cycle.

So, I guess the 2009 Guidebook would go all the way back to the 2006-2007 cycle.

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[jym_dawg]

As usual, you're killing it with these awesome posts.

How are you able to gather the data from LSN? Easily? I ask because it'd be interesting to see applicant pools for the T14 individually, but that's probably a hell of a big request.

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[porch]

I just posted the LSN applicant data as of January 20th, 2012 for each of the T14 here. As previously mentioned, the significance of 1/20 is that it is the date for which we have a clear snapshot of the data from last cycle (which I added into the Google spreadsheet under the tab titled "2011-2012 Cycle").... and the significance of that is that we can kind of see whether the 25/50/75th percentiles for schools have gone up or down since last cycle.

Thanks again to LSATSCORES2012 for providing myLSN Info, which greatly helps with the data gathering.

*Yale wasn't on the table for last cycle at this stage in the game.

You're the best ever.

[swordking90]

I just posted the LSN applicant data as of January 20th, 2012 for each of the T14 here. As previously mentioned, the significance of 1/20 is that it is the date for which we have a clear snapshot of the data from last cycle (which I added into the Google spreadsheet under the tab titled "2011-2012 Cycle").... and the significance of that is that we can kind of see whether the 25/50/75th percentiles for schools have gone up or down since last cycle.

Thanks again to LSATSCORES2012 for providing myLSN Info, which greatly helps with the data gathering.

*Yale wasn't on the table for last cycle at this stage in the game.

Thanks for the wonderful work Regulus! I'm wondering why the number of LSN applicants for the 2012-13 cycle shown in your tables differ from what we see on the LSN site? For example, your chart for Harvard says that as of 1-20-13, the total number of applicants is 389, but if you go on LSN, the number next to Harvard says 493. Is the decrease in number the result of you weeding out the duplicates? If yes, then I wonder whether the numbers for the 2011-12 cycle in your tables have gone through a similar process of "de-duplicating"? It's just that the numbers of applicants to T-14 this year, according to your charts, are vastly decreased from last cycle's, even considering the month or so left for most schools from the deadline.
Thanks again for your work, and hope you can clarify on the discrepancy between your chart and the LSN site's data, and enlighten us about the abnormally low numbers of applicants this cycle!

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[02889]

Thanks for doing this! I'm surprised that the LSAT medians for accepted students are so high (Harvard's is currently 174; NYU's is 172; Penn's is 171), when the GPAs seem to be right around their traditional medians. I wonder if there's any prediction that can be made from that (like, you know, NYU will happily accept a 170 since their LSAT median is currently holding strong at 172).

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[Crowing]

Thanks for doing this! I'm surprised that the LSAT medians for accepted students are so high (Harvard's is currently 174; NYU's is 172; Penn's is 171), when the GPAs seem to be right around their traditional medians. I wonder if there's any prediction that can be made from that (like, you know, NYU will happily accept a 170 since their LSAT median is currently holding strong at 172).

I imagine that the medians of matriculants will be lower than the median of admits.

Also wtf @ SLS.

[pedestrian]

I like that LSATs are down and GPAs are up. Splitters rejoice!

[moonman157]

Thanks for doing this! I'm surprised that the LSAT medians for accepted students are so high (Harvard's is currently 174; NYU's is 172; Penn's is 171), when the GPAs seem to be right around their traditional medians. I wonder if there's any prediction that can be made from that (like, you know, NYU will happily accept a 170 since their LSAT median is currently holding strong at 172).

I imagine that the medians of matriculants will be lower than the median of admits.

Also wtf @ SLS.

This, plus the fact that when you're comparing this year's current state of medians vs last year's at the end of the cycle, you're not accounting for all the waitlisted people with lower stats that got in at the end of the cycle.

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[moonman157]

Thanks for doing this! I'm surprised that the LSAT medians for accepted students are so high (Harvard's is currently 174; NYU's is 172; Penn's is 171), when the GPAs seem to be right around their traditional medians. I wonder if there's any prediction that can be made from that (like, you know, NYU will happily accept a 170 since their LSAT median is currently holding strong at 172).

I imagine that the medians of matriculants will be lower than the median of admits.

Also wtf @ SLS.

This, plus the fact that when you're comparing this year's current state of medians vs last year's at the end of the cycle, you're not accounting for all the waitlisted people with lower stats that got in at the end of the cycle.

This isn't comparing this cycle's current data versus last cycle's end-of-cycle data... it is comparing this cycle's data as of January 20th, 2013, to last cycle's data as of January 20th, 2012.

Gotcha, my bad