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Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby #ifdef » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:30 pm

The "we like you but not enough" thread for Penn. Who's going to ride out the waitlist with me?

Decided, after the application ED deadline unfortunately, that Penn is my first choice. Got waitlisted and going to do whatever I can get get off the waitlist.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:31 pm

Me too! Wrote an LOCI last week, hoping for some WL love!

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby #ifdef » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:37 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:Me too! Wrote an LOCI last week, hoping for some WL love!

Hopefully good news for the both of us soon :). Penn doesn't start looking at the waitlisted candidates until at least May so I'm going to take my time writing the LOCI. I will (hopefully) have an updated resume by then.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby FavoriteColorGRUE » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:13 pm

Going to ride this one out as well. g/l all!

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby tadlbb » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:39 am

Checking in. I'm going to ride this one out. My #1 is definitely penn. Hoping for good news eventually.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 am

Penn has years where they take LOTS off the waitlist, and other years where they take almost nobody. As I'm seeing it, I think our shot at Penn will largely depend on what kind of year this is. In my terrible neurosis, I've compiled some LSN data trying to find some statistical basis for a prediction about what this year's WL movement will look like. I can't say there's anything compelling here, but maybe one of you will see something I'm not.

Hoping this is a good WL year!

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2005/2006

Accepted: 212
Accepted -> Attending: 37
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 105
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 49.5%
Waitlisted: 140
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 50

WL -> Accepted: 14


2006/2007

Accepted: 204
Accepted -> Attending: 32
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 118
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 57.8%
Waitlisted: 270
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106

WL -> Accepted: 26


2007/2008

Accepted: 219
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 111
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 50.7
Waitlisted: 229
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106

WL -> Accepted: 17


2008/2009

Accepted: 162
Accepted -> Attending: 31
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 79
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 48.8
Waitlisted: 246
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 112

WL -> Accepted: 3


2009/2010

Accepted: 192
Accepted -> Attending: 36
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 82
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 42.7
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 118

WL -> Accepted: 8


2010/2011

Accepted: 165
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 71
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 43.0
Waitlisted: 152
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 84

WL -> Accepted: 2


2011/2012 (as of April 26, 9:00am)

Accepted: 184
Accepted -> Attending: 27
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 70
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 38.0%
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 107

WL -> Accepted: ?????

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The only thing that I think might be taken to mean something positive for us is that we're still five days pre-deadline, and the % Accepted -> Withdrawn number is already creeping up close to the last two years' numbers.

(usual caveats regarding LSN imperfections etc. apply)

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby Lawbro » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:07 am

Nice data. The trend doesn't look too favorable though, the number of waitlisted people getting accepted has been getting smaller.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby gravityrides0 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:32 am

Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.

I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby gravityrides0 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:35 am

Sidenote, also interesting that the proportion of withdrawn/ total WL has increased over the years. I wonder what Penn's ranking was back in '05?

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:36 am

gravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.

I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?

IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topic

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby gravityrides0 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:14 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
gravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.

I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?

IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topic


I assumed that adding a two page essay to your app was different/more formal than a LOCI... hmmmm. If you think that for Penn a LOCI = the "essay", then I guess I missed my shot since I have already submitted a LOCI. =/

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:27 pm

gravityrides0 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
gravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.

I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?

IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topic


I assumed that adding a two page essay to your app was different/more formal than a LOCI... hmmmm. If you think that for Penn a LOCI = the "essay", then I guess I missed my shot since I have already submitted a LOCI. =/


I mean I don't know how they decipher LOCI vs. essay... But I think you are fine

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:44 pm

gravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s...

Well, the WL-> Accept has varied quite a bit, but not to the 100's... did you mean 10's?

gravityrides0 wrote:Sidenote, also interesting that the proportion of withdrawn/ total WL has increased over the years. I wonder what Penn's ranking was back in '05?

My guess is that this is due to the increasing number of people blanketing t-14. If you applied without a lot of thought, you probably are more likely to withdraw after WL.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:24 pm

Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:24 pm

msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby Mr. Somebody » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:33 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby Nammertat » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:40 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.


Are you referring to LSN data or do you have another source?

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:52 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.


Never caught your GPA...not sure my 3.8 would make the cut either

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:54 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Don't you have some t14 on lockdown?

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:57 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Don't you have some t14 on lockdown?

Not yet. Got into Gtown, but couldn't swing it geographically. Currently deposited at Fordham.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby Mr. Somebody » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:09 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?

I'm sure hoping so...

This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.


Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.


Never caught your GPA...not sure my 3.8 would make the cut either


You're a median protector with that GPA, and with falling apps that would definitely make the cut.

Interesting note on LSN - in the previous three cycles going back to 08-09, only one person with a 170+ score has been accepted off the waitlist.

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:22 pm

^^ I suppose that is good news for sub 170 scorers. I just hope Penn threw alot of acceptances at people who got into HYS

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:37 pm

I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.

Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:41 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.

Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..

And solidifying its GPA median

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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:43 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.

Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..

And solidifying its GPA median

Yes, that too :D




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