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Where did you deposit / where are you going to deposit?

Yale
11
6%
Stanford
10
5%
Columbia
49
26%
Chicago
20
10%
NYU
20
10%
Penn
10
5%
UVA
9
5%
Duke
12
6%
Berkeley
6
3%
Other: elaborate ITT
44
23%
 
Total votes: 191

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Post by Pneumonia » Thu May 01, 2014 1:45 am

barrelofmonkeys wrote:Question: is there a way to approximate how much money we would receive in aid at Harvard? I think my decision to stay on the waitlist sort of depends on cost a little bit, and I'm wondering if there's any reliable way to gauge that.
So in order to receive a grant you must take the "base loan" amount, which is around 45k. This leaves around 35k as the max aid that a person can receive. In order to receive that amount Harvard must assess both that your parental contribution is $0 and that your own contribution is $0.

The parental contribution outline is here: http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... ytype.html
It takes into account parental income in combination with parental assets. There is some confusion as to whether or not it is assets or "assets minus liabilities" ie net assets. The income/asset limits were much more generous than I would have expected, but maybe my family is just poor.

The personal contribution doesn't take current income into account since you'll be foregoing it to attend, but it does take your resources into account. The student determination info can be found here:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... ssets.html

Main contribution determination page:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... urces.html

So your grant will be (COA) minus (45k base loan) minus (assessed parental contribution) minus (assessed student contribution). It's pretty formulaic; I was able to approximate mine within like 10% or so.

A few things:

-The resource assessments are simply that- what Harvard thinks you and/or your parents should and are able to contribute toward your education. So if they assess a parental contribution of 10k/yr and your parents don't/can't/won't pay that amount then you must take it in loans to meet the COA.

-The same applies to the student contribution- if you can't contribute what they determine you can then you'll have to take the difference in loans

-KEY DIFFERENCE- Loans taken to cover the assessed parental contribution are LIPP eligible; loans taken to cover the student contribution are NOT LIPP eligible.

-All of this takes place on a year-by-year basis, and you basically have to verify all of it in September. It is a hassle, and I haven't even gotten to the verification stage yet.

-There is a way to petition for exceptions to the "assessed contribution," so there is room for finaid to be awarded with some discretion, but like everything else with H (fee waiver, travel stipend) it is a hassle to do and not likely to benefit you unless you truly do have a real need/reason.

-There is some confusing info on the website that says something like "all students will automatically be assessed a 2500 contribution for the summer before 1L." Idk if they've changed it, but the way it read a few weeks ago made it seem like you were responsible for contributing that amount to your 1L tuition from your 0L summer. TripTrip mentioned that this is not the case, and he was correct. Don't get scared by the language on the website.

-Your grant aid gets reduced by around 16k for any summer that you take an SA.

I know this is more info then you asked for BOM, but once I started I thought I'd just finish typing it all out. Hope at least some of it is helpful : )

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Post by barrelofmonkeys » Thu May 01, 2014 1:48 am

Thank you SO MUCH Pneumonia! That's super helpful. WAOW.

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Post by 2x2Matrix » Thu May 01, 2014 1:55 am

My deferral was granted this morning. I think that opens up a spot for a sub25th LSAT. Best of luck to everyone!!

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Post by Brettanomyces » Thu May 01, 2014 1:59 am

Very helpful stuff. Thanks, Pneumonia.

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Post by drawstring » Thu May 01, 2014 2:19 am

2x2Matrix wrote:My deferral was granted this morning. I think that opens up a spot for a sub25th LSAT. Best of luck to everyone!!
Thanks Matrix!

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Post by drawstring » Thu May 01, 2014 2:19 am

Brettanomyces wrote:Very helpful stuff. Thanks, Pneumonia.
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Post by SwiftHippo » Thu May 01, 2014 2:55 am

2x2Matrix wrote:My deferral was granted this morning. I think that opens up a spot for a sub25th LSAT. Best of luck to everyone!!
Do waitlist -> acceptance offers actually work this way according to TLS wisdom/anecdotes? Or is it the same black box as every other admissions decision?

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Post by drawstring » Thu May 01, 2014 3:35 am

I think the first thing is to ensure that their medians don't drop, so if an applicant with an above median GPA withdraws and they need to fill that spot to secure the median, someone with a high GPA will be scooped from the waitlist. A look at past WL data indicates that numbers are still quite important at this point, and that makes sense because those who turn down Harvard for Yale, SLS, Rubies, etc. tend to have strong numbers.

I'm not sure that they'd pick someone off the WL specifically because they have a below median LSAT and the deferred admit does too, but I think it would leave the door open for a WL'd applicant with a below median LSAT to be accepted if they could balance out the high GPA (as Matrix has) and/or share other qualities with the applicant.

On another note, the spreadsheet suggests that at/above median GPAs are less common than at/above median LSATs. I wonder if that means that high GPAs are more valuable, or if HLS is comfortable with their GPA median but not their LSAT median, and therefore wants a larger pool of strong LSATs to pick from.

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Post by ParisetMoi » Thu May 01, 2014 6:44 am

Has anyone seen if there's been a decline in the facebook group lately? I'm excited for the next few weeks. I hope my loci was convincing enough to make them want to look at my app again.

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Post by HorseThief » Thu May 01, 2014 9:26 am

ParisetMoi wrote:Has anyone seen if there's been a decline in the facebook group lately? I'm excited for the next few weeks. I hope my loci was convincing enough to make them want to look at my app again.
There are 524 in there now. I don't know what it used to be, though.

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Post by Nonconsecutive » Thu May 01, 2014 10:17 am

HorseThief wrote:
ParisetMoi wrote:Has anyone seen if there's been a decline in the facebook group lately? I'm excited for the next few weeks. I hope my loci was convincing enough to make them want to look at my app again.
There are 524 in there now. I don't know what it used to be, though.
Its been right in that range for awhile now, I think far less people joined the FB group this year because it has never been even close to the size of the 15, 16, etc. classes.

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Post by logicspeaks » Thu May 01, 2014 12:44 pm

Sent in my LOCI last night after proofreading it 100 times. Hoping that JS1 comes soon!

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Post by lawschool22 » Thu May 01, 2014 1:52 pm

Nonconsecutive wrote:
HorseThief wrote:
ParisetMoi wrote:Has anyone seen if there's been a decline in the facebook group lately? I'm excited for the next few weeks. I hope my loci was convincing enough to make them want to look at my app again.
There are 524 in there now. I don't know what it used to be, though.
Its been right in that range for awhile now, I think far less people joined the FB group this year because it has never been even close to the size of the 15, 16, etc. classes.
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Post by drawstring » Thu May 01, 2014 1:53 pm

I'm hoping it's or maybe...

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Post by Nonconsecutive » Thu May 01, 2014 1:58 pm

I was wondering that as well, but didn't want to lay out any false hopes (if it turns out to be such). Rooting for everyone though :D

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Post by berniewilliams » Thu May 01, 2014 2:02 pm

Does anyone have the link to the waitlist statistics for recent years? Thank you!

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Post by Nonconsecutive » Thu May 01, 2014 2:04 pm

berniewilliams wrote:Does anyone have the link to the waitlist statistics for recent years? Thank you!
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Post by wheelhouse12 » Thu May 01, 2014 4:50 pm

I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but how much time elapses between an interview invite and the actual interview (on the off chance that I receive an interview invite)?

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Post by HorseThief » Thu May 01, 2014 5:09 pm

wheelhouse12 wrote:I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but how much time elapses between an interview invite and the actual interview (on the off chance that I receive an interview invite)?
Depends on the schedule. Usually the only open spots have been ~2 weeks in advance, but I bet they'd be much sooner now.

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Post by drawstring » Thu May 01, 2014 5:12 pm

Ya, if there are going to be JS2s around the 15-20th like an adcom suggested, I imagine that they'd have to move more quickly.

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Post by wheelhouse12 » Thu May 01, 2014 7:30 pm

I just feel like I could use a couple days to prepare properly--I'm sure others would agree.
Edit: I looked at last year's thread for a while and found JS1s offered in April with plenty of time to prepare for an interview.
It looks like they're holding off on WL JS1s until May this year.
Also: there will probably be less waitlist movement than last year since last year they aimed quite low with initial offers.

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Post by tparks » Thu May 01, 2014 11:22 pm

I'm excited for this process to start! Crazy to think in the next month we'll finally have an idea of where we are actually going

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Post by barrelofmonkeys » Fri May 02, 2014 9:13 pm

draw please OP this for me

i am a terrible OP for this because i do not care at all anymore

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Post by drawstring » Sat May 03, 2014 2:34 am

sure!

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