PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

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PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby doinmybest » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:08 pm

This game owned me when I took the LSAT in Oct 08 and it just owned me again today when I took PT 55. I can do the game and get all the answers right, but it took 12 minutes. I might not have a 12 minute cushion on test day so I need to find out what is the most efficient way to diagram this game or what key inferences I missed. If anyone has a way to do this game in 8 min or less do tell. Thanks for the help! Oh and if you don't want to post any specifics here please PM me!

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby barrydukakis » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:40 pm

I did a write up on this game back in June, but I can't take the time at the moment to find it. The way I did it made the game fairly easy though. If you search for it and can't find it, I might have time to dig it up this weekend.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby dank4284 » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:12 pm

doinmybest wrote:This game owned me when I took the LSAT in Oct 08 and it just owned me again today when I took PT 55. I can do the game and get all the answers right, but it took 12 minutes. I might not have a 12 minute cushion on test day so I need to find out what is the most efficient way to diagram this game or what key inferences I missed. If anyone has a way to do this game in 8 min or less do tell. Thanks for the help! Oh and if you don't want to post any specifics here please PM me!


This game was on the LSAT I took. I think I managed it under 8 min if I remember correctly. I was able to do this one quickly by not doing much diagramming actually. I don't recall that there were any major inferences. I really think one key to doing this game quickly could actually be to spend as little time as possible doing initial diagrams and focus on hypotheticals. I know this strategy might not work for you but I hope it helps.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby doinmybest » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:25 pm

barrydukakis wrote:I did a write up on this game back in June, but I can't take the time at the moment to find it. The way I did it made the game fairly easy though. If you search for it and can't find it, I might have time to dig it up this weekend.


I searched a ton of different terms and the only things that came up were threads with people complaining how hard it was or the "what is is the hardest LSAT question" thread lol. If you remember the thread title that might help. Otherwise I'll wait till the weekend.

dank, thanks for the tips. Some of the rules are just hard for me to visualize and I end up wasting time drawing like 1,000 hypotheticals I just have this feeling I'm doing something wrong or inefficiently.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby dank4284 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:00 am

I've PMed you a more detailed explanation.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby doinmybest » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:48 am

dank4284 wrote:I've PMed you a more detailed explanation.


Awesome! Thanks!

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby barrydukakis » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:16 pm

This may or may not work for you...

Use a 1-2-3-4 setup with two slots each, ala advanced linear.

Conditions (greater=sooner)

M is greater than or equal to R
V is greater than J
If F is greater than or equal to J then S is greater than or equal to G
CONVERSELY
If J is greater than F then G is greater than S

Look a little deeper on those two converse statements and it becomes apparent that you can reverse either individual statement without making a logical error, odd but true.

(just write that stuff out and it will make more sense)

Question 19: Plug and Chug
Question 20: Same (M-L) are first two stops
Question 21: Same (F-L) are first two stops... Accordingly M can be 3rd at the earliest, R can only be 3 or 4, cut B and E,
F is greater than or equal to J, therefore S must be greater than or equal to G... The earliest S can be is 3, G must be greater than or equal to 3, cut A and C. D is left, it is correct.

Question 22: L-S are first two stops either way... the soonest M can be is 3rd, therefore R can only be 3 or 4 and has to be after 1-2.
Question 23: The stimulus states that G>S... accordingly J>F... add in the original inference V>J and you have V>J>F, answer D exactly.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby doinmybest » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:35 pm

barrydukakis wrote:This may or may not work for you...

Use a 1-2-3-4 setup with two slots each, ala advanced linear.

Conditions (greater=sooner)

M is greater than or equal to R
V is greater than J
If F is greater than or equal to J then S is greater than or equal to G
CONVERSELY
If J is greater than F then G is greater than S

Look a little deeper on those two converse statements and it becomes apparent that you can reverse either individual statement without making a logical error, odd but true.

(just write that stuff out and it will make more sense)

Question 19: Plug and Chug
Question 20: Same (M-L) are first two stops
Question 21: Same (F-L) are first two stops... Accordingly M can be 3rd at the earliest, R can only be 3 or 4, cut B and E,
F is greater than or equal to J, therefore S must be greater than or equal to G... The earliest S can be is 3, G must be greater than or equal to 3, cut A and C. D is left, it is correct.

Question 22: L-S are first two stops either way... the soonest M can be is 3rd, therefore R can only be 3 or 4 and has to be after 1-2.
Question 23: The stimulus states that G>S... accordingly J>F... add in the original inference V>J and you have V>J>F, answer D exactly.


Barry great stuff. Thanks for being so helpful. I just blanked on rule 2 and rule 4 and I messed up my symbolization.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby JJDancer » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:17 pm

doinmybest wrote:
barrydukakis wrote:This may or may not work for you...

Use a 1-2-3-4 setup with two slots each, ala advanced linear.

Conditions (greater=sooner)

M is greater than or equal to R
V is greater than J
If F is greater than or equal to J then S is greater than or equal to G
CONVERSELY
If J is greater than F then G is greater than S

Look a little deeper on those two converse statements and it becomes apparent that you can reverse either individual statement without making a logical error, odd but true.

(just write that stuff out and it will make more sense)

Question 19: Plug and Chug
Question 20: Same (M-L) are first two stops
Question 21: Same (F-L) are first two stops... Accordingly M can be 3rd at the earliest, R can only be 3 or 4, cut B and E,
F is greater than or equal to J, therefore S must be greater than or equal to G... The earliest S can be is 3, G must be greater than or equal to 3, cut A and C. D is left, it is correct.

Question 22: L-S are first two stops either way... the soonest M can be is 3rd, therefore R can only be 3 or 4 and has to be after 1-2.
Question 23: The stimulus states that G>S... accordingly J>F... add in the original inference V>J and you have V>J>F, answer D exactly.


Barry great stuff. Thanks for being so helpful. I just blanked on rule 2 and rule 4 and I messed up my symbolization.


Yeah I set it up Use a 1-2-3-4 setup with two slots each, ala advanced linear. in this way as well. I think the key is understanding that still on the bus when it arrives means you can get off at that stop or any later stop but not before.

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby Atlas LSAT Teacher » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:26 pm

Someone also posted about this on a different forum and referred to this thread, thought it might be interesting to folks following this one

http://www.atlaslsat.com/forums/post538.html#p538

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby kinch » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:20 pm

PT55 overall was a bitch for me. This helped: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17096351/LSATPT-55Explweb

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby Guardian » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:04 pm

The game is easy man. Set it up EXACTLY the way it tells you.

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if I recall that is how you set it up.

I've seen people do it like this:

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^ But that is a mistake because if I remember alot of the rules had "X cannot be behind Y" so you need to set it up in a way where that can be diagrammed without confusion!

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Re: PT 55 Game 4 (bus game)

Postby bouakedojo » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:30 pm

Guardian wrote:The game is easy man.


Stay classy, Guardian. Stay classy.




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