June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

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June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby 99.9luft » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:29 am

http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/ ... stered.asp

So, 26,812 people took the test, which is a -18.7% drop, comparing to the 32,973 who took it in June 2010.

I bet this trend carries over to October, even if not in such record-breaking numbers.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby doukycats » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:57 am

Great! Less competition, and hopefully fewer applicants will slow rising tuition costs (unlikely)

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby incompetentia » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:28 am

Dem medians gon drop

doukycats wrote:fewer applicants will slow rising tuition costs (unlikely)

uh

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby am060459 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:30 am

99.9luft wrote:http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/lsats-administered.asp

So, 26,812 people took the test, which is a -18.7% drop, comparing to the 32,973 who took it in June 2010.

I bet this trend carries over to October, even if not in such record-breaking numbers.



I guess some people are coming to their senses (not this guy!!!)

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby iphone7 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:32 am

That means it's good for reverse-splitters like me!

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby Eichörnchen » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:57 am

99.9luft wrote:http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/lsats-administered.asp

So, 26,812 people took the test, which is a -18.7% drop, comparing to the 32,973 who took it in June 2010.

I bet this trend carries over to October, even if not in such record-breaking numbers.

This pleases me. Oh medians .... please drop this cycle.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby KevinP » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:07 am

To copy my statements from another thread.
KevinP wrote:I think this upcoming cycle should be an interesting one. The drop in the number of test takers last year also coincided with a drop in the number of applicants across all LSAT scores ranges, not just those at the lower end.

LSAC did publish information on the number of 2010 versus 2011 number of applicants by LSAT score and they matched up accordingly with the drop in LSATs administered for the 2010-2011 cycle (LSAC did add a caveat because of the date of the report). I'm just hoping the pattern is unchanged this cycle as well.

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Source: http://lsac.org/LSACResources/Publicati ... EC2010.pdf

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby phillipjg » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:13 am

There are a similiar amount of applicatants with scores under 145 as applications with scores over 170.

I understand there have to be people taking the test who score under median, but they still apply with those scores?

edit: missing word

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby doukycats » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:18 am

It seems weird that 8% of test takers have a high score in the 98-99th percentile

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby KevinP » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:20 am

phillipjg wrote:There are a similiar amount of applicatants with scores under 145 as applications with scores over 170.

I understand there have to be people taking the test who score under median, but they still apply with those scores?

edit: missing word


Yes. Even more worrisome is the fact that some schools actually accept them.
E.g. http://cooley.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/

doukycats wrote:It seems weird that 8% of test takers have a high score in the 98-99th percentile

This is applicants, not test takers. Not all test takers apply to law school.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby Asleep » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:21 am

Its 8% of applicants, not 8% of test takers.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby Samara » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:27 am

KevinP wrote:Not all test takers apply to law school.

Plus, a substantial portion of those are retakes.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby incompetentia » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:29 am

Note that these are also year-to-date numbers as of December - I would imagine that the gunners who apply early are more likely to be high scorers (the lower scorers would also likely be waiting until Oct/Dec for a potential retake).

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:34 am

I would be sick if medians dropped.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby doukycats » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:36 am

doukycats wrote:It seems weird that 8% of test takers have a high score in the 98-99th percentile


Hopefully errors like that don't keep me out of that 8% :?

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby KevinP » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:40 am

Do I sense a 167 for Cornell?

Here's to hoping that October shows a similar trend.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby incompetentia » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:43 am

I doubt it's going to be 18%, as Oct is typically the most reliable testing bloc, but I know that NYU isn't keeping that 172 median for too long.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:44 am

incompetentia wrote:I doubt it's going to be 18%, as Oct is typically the most reliable testing bloc, but I know that NYU isn't keeping that 172 median for too long.

U of C and NU? PLEAAASE

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby faithinlaw » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:01 am

Why 101%?
4+6+11+16+19+19+15+9+2=101

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby incompetentia » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:04 am

faithinlaw wrote:Why 101%?
4+6+11+16+19+19+15+9+2=101

Rounding individual numbers causes this artifact, sometimes even with as few as 3 components.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby Samara » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:11 am

incompetentia wrote:Note that these are also year-to-date numbers as of December - I would imagine that the gunners who apply early are more likely to be high scorers (the lower scorers would also likely be waiting until Oct/Dec for a potential retake).

Yeah, according to LSAT Blog, June has the toughest curve. Partially, this is probably because it just has a lot more test takers, being in the summer and in the afternoon, but yeah, I agree on the effect of gunners.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby UnamSanctam » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:35 am

Please let this be the difference between T14 and non-T14 acceptance.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:00 pm

Samara wrote:
incompetentia wrote:Note that these are also year-to-date numbers as of December - I would imagine that the gunners who apply early are more likely to be high scorers (the lower scorers would also likely be waiting until Oct/Dec for a potential retake).

Yeah, according to LSAT Blog, June has the toughest curve. Partially, this is probably because it just has a lot more test takers, being in the summer and in the afternoon, but yeah, I agree on the effect of gunners.

No

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby gavinstevens » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:19 pm

I'd be happy with a median freeze, but yeah, let's hope for some drops.

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Re: June 2011 LSAT Data: Biggest Drop in 20 years!

Postby suspicious android » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:50 pm

Did medians go up at many top schools this year? Or is that information even out yet?




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