Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

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Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby cvntstscrty » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:57 pm

The Law School Admission Council (LSAC) understands and sympathizes with the anxiety that the LSAT causes test takers and their strong desire to discuss with their peers the questions that they have just taken on the LSAT. However, LSAC prohibits such discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. Certain LSATs are non-disclosed and their questions may be used again at a later administration of the test. And even in the case of disclosed tests there may be circumstances in which LSAC may need to administer a test form to some test takers somewhat later than to others. Discussion of test questions in a public forum like a website before the test is disclosed, even though its usefulness is limited by the memory and ability of the participants, makes information about that test widely available to anyone who has access to the web and may unfairly advantage test takers who see the discussion before they take the test. Since the number of admission slots in law schools is limited, such an unfair advantage could penalize those who took the test at an earlier time, including those very people engaging in the post-mortem discussion.

In an effort to ensure the fairness of the LSAT, LSAC requires test takers to sign a statement on the LSAT answer sheet saying that they agree not to “copy or retain examination questions or to transmit them to or discuss them with any other person in any form.” In addition, test takers sign a certification statement on the LSAT admission ticket agreeing that they have “no right to reproduce, recreate, distribute, or sell any of that test.” In this statement they also certify that they “understand that the Law School Admission Council reserves the right to pursue all suitable courses of action to prevent fraudulent or unauthorized use of its property and to prevent the compromise of secure test material.” Thus, test takers enter into a contract with LSAC that they will not discuss with others the test questions they have taken. In addition, LSAC’s “Instructions for the Day of the Test” state: “Legal action may be taken against anyone who removes test materials and/or reproduces test material in any way, or shares LSAT test content prior to LSAC’s disclosure of that test.”

If inappropriate public discussion of test questions on public websites reaches a point at which it threatens to undermine the fairness of the LSAT, injuring LSAT test takers, or at which it damages the value of non-disclosed LSAT test forms, LSAC would be compelled to take appropriate action to prevent such injury or damage. These actions could include reporting violators to the LSAC Misconduct Committee. Admission to the bar and the practice of law impose high standards of conduct and LSAC member law schools take very seriously the integrity of the candidates they admit.

LSAC does not seek to take special steps to enforce its prohibition on the inappropriate discussion of test questions. We would prefer that test takers recognize that compromising test questions before they have been disclosed by LSAC runs counter to the general interest of test takers in a fair testing process, as well as to the personal interest of those discussing the questions, and voluntarily refrain from discussing LSAT questions until after they have been disclosed to test takers by LSAC. However, we believe that we have an obligation to both our law school members and our test takers to protect the fairness and integrity of the LSAT and the law school admission process, and we take that obligation very seriously.

Jim Vaseleck
Executive Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel, LSAC

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby Danteshek » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm
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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby bk1 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:47 pm

Couldn't you have chosen a more professional sounding screen name and not put info in your profile?

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby socraticmethodman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:03 pm

Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby lisjjen » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:17 pm

socraticmethodman wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c


Interesting video. Disappointing article. We don't need affirmative action to elevate the Black Community. We need to turn B.E.T. off and put down the malt liquor and read a book. Probably the wrong forum for this, but just watch Boondocks.

ETA: I'm not racist. I've presided over two Black Student Organizations.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby lovejopd » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:33 pm

lisjjen wrote:
socraticmethodman wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c


Interesting video. Disappointing article. We don't need affirmative action to elevate the Black Community. We need to turn B.E.T. off and put down the malt liquor and read a book. Probably the wrong forum for this, but just watch Boondocks.

ETA: I'm not racist. I've presided over two Black Student Organizations.


Yeah, interesting but disappointing both video and article. I dunno...I personally do not believe in affirmative actions because I do not believe that minority lawyers will benefit minority...It's a sweet but obvious myth...

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby LLB2JD » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:38 pm

Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


He told y'all folks. He just to y'all... :|

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby JazzOne » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:46 pm

bk1 wrote:Couldn't you have chosen a more professional sounding screen name and not put info in your profile?

I especially appreciate the fact that he applied to law school in 2008, yet he's already executive counsel at LSAC.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:47 pm

bk1 wrote:Couldn't you have chosen a more professional sounding screen name and not put info in your profile?


bk, step off. Jim's LSDAS GPA is 4.0, so I am convinced he is credited.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:47 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


He told y'all folks. He just to y'all... :|


AA derail comin' right up.

edit: FYI, this info came from the University of Dayton according to the URL, which is like a Tier 892374 school. Just FTR
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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby Kurst » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:48 pm

lol, what is this? Trolling the LSAC "do not disclose" post with AA nonsense? A perhaps not-so-clever ploy to have the moderators lock or delete this thread in order to curb the umpteenth vitriolic AA debate?

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby well-hello-there » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:49 pm

Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm

YOU SIR! are a moron. I'm amazed that you were even able to figure out how to copy and paste a link because that is above your intelligence level.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby Bildungsroman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:50 pm

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:51 pm

edit: "Danteshek is an idiot" derail comin' right up

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby well-hello-there » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:53 pm

paulinaporizkova wrote:edit: "Danteshek is an idiot" derail comin' right up

no, that guy is so dumb it's not even worth debating. It's times like these that demand name-calling and nothing more.
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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby northwood » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:54 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:Image

this sir- is brilliant

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby Nikrall » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:55 pm

lisjjen wrote:
socraticmethodman wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c


Interesting video. Disappointing article. We don't need affirmative action to elevate the Black Community. We need to turn B.E.T. off and put down the malt liquor and read a book. Probably the wrong forum for this, but just watch Boondocks.

ETA: I'm not racist. I've presided over two Black Student Organizations.


Protip: If after you've made a comment about race you feel the need to provide credentials about how you aren't racist, you probably just said something racist.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby Drake014 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:03 pm

lisjjen wrote:
socraticmethodman wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Sure. I'd be happy not to discuss the content of the test if LSAC stops administering experimental sections. LSAC should be able to design a test without doing that to students. And I don't even care that the LSAT discriminates against black people.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03just ... aled01.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c


Interesting video. Disappointing article. We don't need affirmative action to elevate the Black Community. We need to turn B.E.T. off and put down the malt liquor and read a book. Probably the wrong forum for this, but just watch Boondocks.

ETA: I'm not racist. I've presided over two Black Student Organizations.


It doesn't work like that. You're mistaking symptoms of poverty for causes.

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Re: Please Remember: Do Not Disclose LSAT Content

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:05 pm

Well, this thread was fun.




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