Curve Discussion

Curve?

-8
1
2%
-9
1
2%
-10
11
22%
-11
19
38%
-12
10
20%
-13
4
8%
-14
2
4%
-15 (dreams are made)
2
4%
 
Total votes: 50

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Curve Discussion

Postby balzern » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:09 pm

Voice your thoughts on the curve and give reason why.
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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby KevinP » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:11 pm

Felt like a -10. LR felt average albeit it had a few tricky questions. RC felt easier. LG.... I screwed this up but other people said it was average/harder.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby Adjudicator » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:12 pm

I would be happy with an average curve.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby r2b2ct » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:14 pm

I wouldn't be surprised with a -9 based on my experience, but people seem to have had trouble with the games so maybe it'll be generous.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby littlepixie11 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:15 pm

-11 at the worst in my opinion. Just looking at the trend, and assuming that it will be less generous. It would just be surprising to stray that far from the past several tests by going -10. Plus it seems that the curves are more generous with harder games (the only time I've seen a nice curve is when ppl on here gripe about the hard games) and this LG was hard. The RC wasn't bad but it wasn't that easy and LR was quite tricky. However, this goes against what most ppl have said on here (LG was hard, rest was easy) so perhaps it is just me

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby Sinra » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:17 pm

I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby WonkyPanda » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:19 pm

Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby KevinP » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:20 pm

WonkyPanda wrote:
Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.


Imagine a -15.... just so they can look at TLS for shits and giggles. Kind of like when the -14 curve was first posted for December.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby Sinra » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:22 pm

WonkyPanda wrote:
Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.


I'm hoping it was! Sure felt like it. I mean leaving the test I felt really good about it. Of course, TLS tends to bring my confidence post-test down..but I can't stay away. People bringing up questions that I remember being absolutely sure about and then just by virtue of hearing about them I think "Wait, did I choose wrong??" Whatever. I didn't get dumber or become less prepared between yesterday and this morning. But going from my real reaction post-test...not a ridiculous curve. Games even were OK. A little bit tricky and time-consuming but overall not hard. And thank the gods no courses to take except for three and writing or theater. I fracking hate those.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby DearCan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:22 pm

The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby WonkyPanda » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:22 pm

KevinP wrote:
WonkyPanda wrote:
Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.


Imagine a -15.... just so they can look at TLS for shits and giggles. Kind of like when the -14 curve was first posted for December.


I wish we could look back and see what people thought the curve would be for december. Does TLS tend to overestimate or underestimate? I'd bet under. Lot's of amazing takers here can skew the apparent difficulty of the test. Normal people do exists everyone!

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby Sinra » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:22 pm

KevinP wrote:
WonkyPanda wrote:
Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.


Imagine a -15.... just so they can look at TLS for shits and giggles. Kind of like when the -14 curve was first posted for December.


December FELT like that though. my head was fried after that test. I should have canceled.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby LogicGamez » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:22 pm

DearCan wrote:The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.

June was -12+1 question removed and Dec was -14.

I'd give someone 10:1 odds that it's either -11 or -12.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby OrdinarilySkilled » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:24 pm

I think the 101 questions is nice, like a built in curve point. I don't see how 93 questions right would ever be <170. That said, my gut feeling is -9, since the recent generous trends were probably not going to continue and this test seemed easier than junes.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby DearCan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:24 pm

LogicGamez wrote:
DearCan wrote:The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.

June was -12+1 question removed and Dec was -14.

I'd give someone 10:1 odds that it's either -11 or -12.


Ah, my bad. I just saw that a raw score of 87 on both tests got you a 170.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby cowgirl_bebop » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:24 pm

Im hoping for a -11 or above, but -10 also seems feasible. If its -14 I would LEAP for joy, like, literally...

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby Sinra » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:26 pm

DearCan wrote:
LogicGamez wrote:
DearCan wrote:The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.

June was -12+1 question removed and Dec was -14.

I'd give someone 10:1 odds that it's either -11 or -12.


Ah, my bad. I just saw that a raw score of 87 on both tests got you a 170.


That would be absolutely glorious.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby KevinP » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:28 pm

WonkyPanda wrote:
KevinP wrote:
WonkyPanda wrote:
Sinra wrote:I'm figuring a -10. I honestly didn't think it was too hard. RC was very easy IMO. LG were ok and LR is LR. I felt more like PT 58 than 59 or 60. No way it's a -14 monster like Dec 09. That test deserved a generous curve.


Agreed, this test was easier than 59 and 60. I am guessing a -11, but we'll see what kind of cooky algorithm/method LSAC does to finally make that curve.


Imagine a -15.... just so they can look at TLS for shits and giggles. Kind of like when the -14 curve was first posted for December.


I wish we could look back and see what people thought the curve would be for december. Does TLS tend to overestimate or underestimate? I'd bet under. Lot's of amazing takers here can skew the apparent difficulty of the test. Normal people do exists everyone!


TLSers thought the curve was less generous than it really is.
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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby tazmolover » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:30 pm

I just consulted my hotline psychic. She said it would be a -15 curve.

EVERYONE GET READY FOR THE PARTYBOAT!!!!

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby St.Remy » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:30 pm

DearCan wrote:The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.


Except that last test was a -12...

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby littlepixie11 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:31 pm

Not sure if this helps, but here are the score trends for recent tests.
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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby ND'10 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:32 pm

Isn't how hard the test is only one input into forming the curve? Unless I'm mistaken doesn't it rely in large part on the number of takers? If a large number of well, mediocre, test takers decided to take the LSAT because, say, they don't think they're going to get jobs in this still tight economy... couldn't that make an easy/average test get an average/generous curve?

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby DrackedaryMaster » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:34 pm

I'd say -10 if there was 100 q's. However, I believe it will be -11, maybe -12.

I'd really like to know what the raw score will be for 160. I was prepping with Raw Scores in the 83-87 range consistently, mostly buoyed by games, but got screwed today. RC was about average (22-23), and I probably missed about the same number of questions I normally do for total LR (39-41), but LG screwed me. I panicked on the last two games because I took so much time finishing the first two games which I'm pretty sure I got right. Depending on my guesses, I'd say (16-19). I feel my raw is somewhere around 72, but could be in the mid-80's I figure that something like a 157-164 depending on where this curve comes down. Thank God league bowling is starting up or I'm going to go crazy thinking about this for the next three weeks.

No way this curve is -9 or -8. If many of us thought the "real" LR sections were weird today, how do you think the test takers who had those sections as their experimental felt? Same for LG. I think the higher number of test takers and the higher number of people who don't prep for this thing (had a lot in my testing center today talking about feeling good if they got a 150!) helps keep the curve stable.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby DearCan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:35 pm

St.Remy wrote:
DearCan wrote:The curves on the last two tests has been -14 and I'm honestly hoping for that. Probably won't get it but it doesn't hurt to hope.


Except that last test was a -12...


You clearly didn't read the rest of the thread.

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Re: Curve Discussion

Postby KevinP » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:37 pm

ND'10 wrote:Isn't how hard the test is only one input into forming the curve? Unless I'm mistaken doesn't it rely in large part on the number of takers? If a large number of well, mediocre, test takers decided to take the LSAT because, say, they don't think they're going to get jobs in this still tight economy... couldn't that make an easy/average test get an average/generous curve?


True... but from what I've read, they are usually equated in advance. A couple of years in advance since experimental sections seem to show up a couple years later from what I've read of people who took the test years back and had the same experimental section for their real one.

Sucks if 3 years from now, all the people driven to the LSAT by the economy make the curves -20 with ridiculously easy questions.




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