HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

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HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby Underoath » Mon May 17, 2010 10:41 am

I don't know why I put it off, but I did and now I am paying the price....do I just show up and take the test and cancel my score or do I just not show up at all?

Either way this sucks because now law schools will see I cancelled my score!!!!!!

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby Bert » Mon May 17, 2010 10:57 am

It won't show up as a cancel either way. If you show up on test day, take the LSAT, and cancel, it will appear as a cancelled score on your LSDAS report. If you fail to show up on test day, it shows up on your LSDAS report as such. I don't know if one is better on your LSDAS report than the other, and maybe somebody else can follow up on that, but I do know that there will be a distinction on your LSDAS report.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby blue5385 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:02 am

I don't think one cancelled score will hurt you much. You still have a few weeks to get some studying done for June, but even if you're unprepared, it's probably better to take the test and cancel than not show up at all (imo, you'd look flaky to schools if you did that).

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby HBK » Mon May 17, 2010 11:08 am

How recently did this happen? Have you considered calling LSAC? There are actually some reasonable, live human beings that answer the phone. They may be able to help you if this happened today.

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Postby Underoath » Mon May 17, 2010 11:32 am

HBK wrote:How recently did this happen? Have you considered calling LSAC? There are actually some reasonable, live human beings that answer the phone. They may be able to help you if this happened today.

I just called. The guy said he doesn't have access to the file and can't change the date.

=(

UGHHHHHH!!!!

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby HBK » Mon May 17, 2010 11:40 am

Underoath wrote:
HBK wrote:How recently did this happen? Have you considered calling LSAC? There are actually some reasonable, live human beings that answer the phone. They may be able to help you if this happened today.

I just called. The guy said he doesn't have access to the file and can't change the date.

=(

UGHHHHHH!!!!


That sucks. At least you tried. The worst thing they can do is say no.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby nycparalegal » Mon May 17, 2010 11:49 am

It's better to not show up then to show and cancel.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby 2807 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:50 am

I actually did move mine from June to October. I did it on the LSAC website and have certainly seen the official change on my file/page.

Is moving it-- a ding in anyway? I just was not ready for June.

Thanks

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby d34d9823 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:51 am

nycparalegal wrote:It's better to not show up then to show and cancel.

TITCR (I think, I remember seeing something to this effect)

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Postby d34d9823 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:51 am

2807 wrote:I actually did move mine from June to October. I did it on the LSAC website and have certainly seen the official change on my file/page.

Is moving it-- a ding in anyway? I just was not ready for June.

Thanks

You're fine, OP forgot to change his date, that's why he's pissed.

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Postby nycparalegal » Mon May 17, 2010 11:52 am

2807 wrote:I actually did move mine from June to October. I did it on the LSAC website and have certainly seen the official change on my file/page.

Is moving it-- a ding in anyway? I just was not ready for June.

Thanks


Moving your LSAT test date back will not have an adverse affect on your law school application.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby blue5385 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:53 am

2807 wrote:I actually did move mine from June to October. I did it on the LSAC website and have certainly seen the official change on my file/page.

Is moving it-- a ding in anyway? I just was not ready for June.

Thanks


I don't think it even shows up on your LSAC report if you move your date before the deadline, so you should be fine.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby 09042014 » Mon May 17, 2010 12:04 pm

If you don't show you get an absence, which doesn't count towards your three attempts.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby 2807 » Mon May 17, 2010 12:05 pm

Hey, thanks for the quick answers. And all in agreement!

And to the O.P.: I would call all day and keep asking. I would bet there are many people who answer the phone. Keep refining your approach as you call. Ask "what criteria would allow for a change...?"..ask things like that, then re-position your next call accordingly....

Be nice and friendly. If there is any hope, someone will do it if you nice and say the right thing. Humility is the key.

You are only 9-12 hours late as of now (to do it via the web). Work that angle?

Good luck.

Sorry you had this hiccup.

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Postby Underoath » Mon May 17, 2010 12:10 pm

2807 wrote:Hey, thanks for the quick answers. And all in agreement!

And to the O.P.: I would call all day and keep asking. I would bet there are many people who answer the phone. Keep refining your approach as you call. Ask "what criteria would allow for a change...?"..ask things like that, then re-position your next call accordingly....

Be nice and friendly. If there is any hope, someone will do it if you nice and say the right thing. Humility is the key.

You are only 9-12 hours late as of now (to do it via the web). Work that angle?

Good luck.

Sorry you had this hiccup.


I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby d34d9823 » Mon May 17, 2010 12:33 pm

Underoath wrote:I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

Dude, I honestly don't think an absence is a big deal. Anecdotally, it's even less bad than a cancellation.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby Underoath » Mon May 17, 2010 12:56 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:
Underoath wrote:I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

Dude, I honestly don't think an absence is a big deal. Anecdotally, it's even less bad than a cancellation.


But since I already screwed up don't you think I should just take the test then?

How do you figure that an absence is less bad than a cancellation?

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby nycparalegal » Mon May 17, 2010 1:00 pm

Underoath wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:
Underoath wrote:I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

Dude, I honestly don't think an absence is a big deal. Anecdotally, it's even less bad than a cancellation.


But since I already screwed up don't you think I should just take the test then?

How do you figure that an absence is less bad than a cancellation?


No, you won't get penalized for an absence because it's hard for law schools to really judge why you couldn't make it to the test - MAYBE you were sick, but if you took the test and then cancelled well the question becomes - why did he take a test when he was unprepared? Can he handle pressure situations? It also gets counted towards your three LSAT test quota, while being absent does not.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby Underoath » Mon May 17, 2010 1:10 pm

nycparalegal wrote:
Underoath wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:
Underoath wrote:I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

Dude, I honestly don't think an absence is a big deal. Anecdotally, it's even less bad than a cancellation.


But since I already screwed up don't you think I should just take the test then?

How do you figure that an absence is less bad than a cancellation?


No, you won't get penalized for an absence because it's hard for law schools to really judge why you couldn't make it to the test - MAYBE you were sick, but if you took the test and then cancelled well the question becomes - why did he take a test when he was unprepared? Can he handle pressure situations? It also gets counted towards your three LSAT test quota, while being absent does not.


Ok, I understand your side.

I still can't believe I missed the deadline though. I was putting it off because of the $60 date change fee or however much it is.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby d34d9823 » Mon May 17, 2010 2:28 pm

Underoath wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:
Underoath wrote:I just called again...and the lady said there isn't any criteria that would allow for a change...

I've given up hope.

Dude, I honestly don't think an absence is a big deal. Anecdotally, it's even less bad than a cancellation.


But since I already screwed up don't you think I should just take the test then?

How do you figure that an absence is less bad than a cancellation?

I don't have some secret knowledge. I just remember hearing that an absence looks better. Paralegal has some plausible reasons, but who knows why it is really?

Regardless, even a cancellation (again anecdotally) isn't that big of a deal. I would just skip, take in October and go with it. Alternatively, there's still three weeks of prep left.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby crysmissmichelle » Mon May 17, 2010 2:39 pm

The Ivey guide says it is better to show up and then cancel. . .also, take it like a really good practice session, you've already paid for it, take it as a test run, if you don't feel good about the score, cancel. . .you have a few weeks to prepare, who knows?

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby F458JE » Mon May 17, 2010 3:28 pm

nycparalegal wrote: but if you took the test and then cancelled well the question becomes - why did he take a test when he was unprepared? Can he handle pressure situations? It also gets counted towards your three LSAT test quota, while being absent does not.


nycparalegal wrote:It's better to not show up then to show and cancel.


You are doing nothing more than making assumptions, which are wrong. Law schools do not care if you cancel a score. There are multiple reasons why you may have to cancel and law schools are not going to judge you differently because of this. Quite a few law schools even mention this on their website.

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Re: HELP!!! I forgot to change test date

Postby Mr. Matlock » Mon May 17, 2010 3:38 pm

From LSAT BLOG: http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/cancel-postpone-absence-june-2009-lsat.html

Cancel, Postpone, or Absence? | June 2010 LSAT
This post is meant for anyone who registered for a particular LSAT date, then missed the deadline to postpone (and wishes they hadn't).

I initially wrote this post for June 2009 LSAT-takers, but it also applies to future LSAT-takers.

The deadline to postpone registration for the June 2010 LSAT is May 16.

As I previously mentioned on the blog, this deadline is earlier than ever before - 3 weeks prior to the test date.

The early postponement deadline causes admissions-related dilemmas for anyone who wishes to postpone but missed the deadline.

This post will help you figure out what to do now that you've missed the deadline, and it will show you how to avoid any negative marks on your LSDAS report.

(Note: LSDAS is LSAC's Credential Assembly Service --- formerly known as the Law School Data Assembly Service. Like Prince, aka O(+> , they've rebranded. Who said LSAC wasn't hip?)

Here are excerpts from a couple of emails I've received in the past week about missing the postponement deadline:

"Although I've been preparing for a while I am not as far along as I need to be..i.e. I'm still working on the fundamentals- not taking timed tests.
Worse still, due to the "economic crisis" I have to take on a second job starting (you guessed it!) this week.
Having to manage these two jobs over the next two weeks will prevent me from gaining any real ground in my studies. In about a month they should level off and I will return to my 40hour work week.
So, given the new LSAC policies...what should I do? Take the test and cancel my score?
Take the absence?
To me an absence reveals that I am at least intelligent enough to assess myself.
How can an absence be seen as flaky when we now have two weeks for legitimate conflicts to arise? Its not as though I'm waking up the morning of with reservations.
To me a score cancellation reads as a bad performance or an expression of self-doubt.
How do you think admissions will read these two different labels in light of LSAC's new policy?"

"I just spoke to the LSAC people and they inform me that I can't cancel my date, just the score."



What you should do if you've missed the LSAT postponement deadline:
I feel your pain. You've missed the deadline, and LSAC won't let you cancel your "date" beforehand via email or phone.

In the dating world, refusal to take "no" for an answer is considered a sign of an abusive relationship.

However, it's perfectly acceptable in the world of law school admissions. Go figure. (That's just a joke, LSAC. I ♥ you guys.)


You have 4 main options:

Option #1: Just don't show up to the LSAT. Why miss work or school to run a pointless errand when you already told LSAC you weren't going?

Option #2: Show up to the LSAT and cancel without taking the exam.

Option #3: Show up to the LSAT and take the exam to get a sense of what your "real" LSAT test center experience will be like in September (or December). Cancel after the exam.

Option #4: Show up and take the exam even though you don't feel ready. Don't cancel and let the score stay on your record, whatever it may be.


After hearing from a few admission officers, it turns out that Option #1 is fine, despite the fact that you might think it appears irresponsible. When I emailed Dean Edward Tom of UC Berkeley at Boalt Hall about a student who'd been an LSAT absentee, Dean Tom said, "No, it shouldn't prejudice her application. She may wish to provide a short explanation via an addendum."

Option #4 isn't a good idea because you also don't want a low LSAT score on your record. Even if the schools you're considering don't average scores, one high LSAT score still looks better than a low score and a high one. Take it once and get it done right the first time.

Option #2 is fine. You can show up and immediately cancel when the exam starts. Many other students will end up having to do the exact same thing.

However, Option #3 is even better. You've already paid the full fee. Since you missed the postponement deadline, you won't get any of your money back anyway, and you'll already have a cancellation on your record.

Why not take the opportunity to get used to the test center experience? Just cancel your score at the very end of the exam. Doing this will make September seem much less scary.

However, there's one big reason that you might consider Option #1 over Option #3:

Score cancellations count towards the no-more-than-3-LSATs-per-2-years-rule (see p26 of the Law School Admission Information Book - p28 of PDF), while absences don't.

I recently emailed LSAC to double-check this. LSAC replied, "An absentee does not count as one of the three times that you can take the test in the two year period."

If you suspect that you might end up needing all 3 LSATs over a 2-year period, being absent is probably the better choice.

How the earlier LSAT postponement deadline will affect admission officers' views on score cancellations:
As things currently stand, LSAC score reports will not distinguish between:

- Students who show up on test day and cancel their test registration because they couldn't do so after they missed the postponement deadline.
- Students who didn't decide to cancel until during or after the exam.

However, score reports do distinguish between score cancellations and absences.

Due to the earlier LSAT postponement deadline, increasing numbers of applicants will have score cancellations and absences on their records. For this reason, I suspect that score cancellations and absences will have fewer negative connotations than they previously did.

(This creates a silver lining for students who didn't plan to cancel their scores on test day, but then something unexpected occurred. These students will "luck out" due to this ambiguity on the score report.)

I asked Dean Tom to comment on how admissions deans will consider LSAT cancellations in light of the now-earlier postponement deadline:

"Things will become more relaxed. They will at Berkeley. I think it's always a good idea to provide an explanatory addendum, regardless of the reason. "

After I published this blog post on Thursday afternoon, Anna Ivey, former Dean of Admissions at University of Chicago Law School (and independent law school admission consultant) wrote:

I agree 100% with your advice. It may sound counter-intuitive, but a cancellation actually looks better than a no-show. I always tell applicants that one cancellation is not the end of the world -- everyone can have a bad day, and admissions officers know that. I don't think they look askance at one cancellation (or at least I never did when I was an admissions officer). More than one cancellation does start to make you look flaky, though, so if you cancel the June test, you've basically used up your one non-flaky-looking cancellation. Please don't wake up with the flu in September, and if you do, then that's a good reason to write an addendum (canceling more than once).

So if you need to physically show up at the test anyway just to be able to cancel it (and avoid a no-show on your record), why not stick around and get the upside of a practice LSAT in a real testing environment? Don't keep the score though. There's no point in having a score from a day when you aren't feeling in peak form. With the LSAT, it's best to take one bite at the apple. Do it once, and do it right.

Also be sure to see Anna Ivey's more recent thoughts at the end of this blog post.


Dean Sarah Zearfoss of the University of Michigan Law School emailed me on Friday afternoon:

Having a single "absence" show on a report is absolutely nothing from an admissions officer's perspective--unlike a cancellation, an absence means that you were never exposed to the test, and so it doesn't look like you got one free run-through before getting a score. (And to be clear, having a single cancellation doesn't look weird, either--although a pattern may.) Of course, having multiple absences does start looking a little flaky, so it is true that a candidate needs to be very careful to clear his/her calendar for October or December and be sure to show up for the test--or, at least, to postpone the test in accordance with LSAC's timeline.

I note that originally, it seemed a little unfair to me that someone would have an absence b/c it seemed wrong to treat someone who tried to alert LSAC to the forthcoming absence three weeks in advance with a candidate who, say, just didn't show up. But upon further reflection, I changed my mind, concluding that there's just no good way to make a distinction between "people who are behaving as responsibly as possible but who missed the applicable deadline" and "people who simply were blase and didn't show up." At least--I can think of a million hypotheticals where whatever distinction you make ends up being the wrong one (which may simply be the result of my law school training). After all, it is true that however excusably (for example, one candidate we've heard from is a paralegal who now has a trial scheduled for the week of the LSAT), the candidate hasn't satisfied the timeline posted and explained by LSAC. It's not a big deal at all, but a notation of absence seems to me to accurately reflect the situation.


UPDATE (December 4, 2009):

I've left some additional thoughts on the decision of whether to cancel or be absent in the comments on this blog post here.


UPDATE (February 2, 2010):

I received the following email from Anna Ivey (who is also quoted above):

I've been fielding some questions about what I said in this blog post. On reflection I'm thinking that applicants SHOULD go with a no-show rather than a cancellation after all if it's too late to reschedule the test. I talked to a number of admissions officers about this, and while there is some split in opinion, the no-show camp ended up persuading me.




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