Knewton LSAT prep

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Knewton LSAT prep

Postby jason8821 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:46 am

I know there was a post about this a while back in 09, but there was not a real clear answer.

Has anyone heard of/had any success with this course?

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doesn't matter

Postby Bigred2008 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:13 pm

doesn't matter
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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:27 pm

I signed up for it today. I did a lot of research on them and spoke with their rep for 20 minutes and it seems like the type of system I could rely on.

If any of you guys sign up for it, let me know, apparently if I sign up a "friend," we both get $100 off!

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby jason8821 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:39 pm

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Sounds awesome. Yeah I am thinking they must be somewhat good due to GMAT rep.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby doomcannon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:57 pm

It's a web start-up out of NYC. I've been to their offices and seen the instructional setup. I think they get top-notch instructors and have a good online interface (arguably better than classroom), but it is online, so its appeal depends on if you have any pedagogical/psychological hangups about that.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby jason8821 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:04 am

doomcannon wrote:It's a web start-up out of NYC. I've been to their offices and seen the instructional setup. I think they get top-notch instructors and have a good online interface (arguably better than classroom), but it is online, so its appeal depends on if you have any pedagogical/psychological hangups about that.


Thanks for the reply. Do you know if it is pretty interactive. Can I discuss problems with fellow class mates and the instructors?

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby chicoalto0649 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:10 am

Can you guys stop trying to promote some stupid new test-prep (scam) company and go somewhere else.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby jason8821 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:07 am

chicoalto0649 wrote:Can you guys stop trying to promote some stupid new test-prep (scam) company and go somewhere else.


I'm not trying to promote anything. I am asking if anyone has heard of Knewton's LSAT course, and whether or not it's worth trying. Just because a company is new to the market does not preclude it from a being worthy investment.

What are you talking about?

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby abbas123 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:19 am

chicoalto is prob talking about the ppl who dont even have 10 posts

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:39 am

lol i can see how my comment may have sounded like i was some rep from knewton but i assure you, i am not

i pray to god i'm not wasting money on this investment and not regretting going ps or bp instead

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby chicoalto0649 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:41 am

lsatextreme wrote:lol i can see how my comment may have sounded like i was some rep from knewton but i assure you, i am not

i pray to god i'm not wasting money on this investment and not regretting going ps or bp instead



Why didnt you go ps or bp?

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:11 am

i was absolutely considering only those 2, since I was looking for an online class. You can even see the thread I revived on it because i was actually wondering which of the 2 to take and then I saw this topic. So naturally I was curious so I looked them up, researched their website and it actually looked interesting so I gave them a call and the guy basically convinced me and cut me a good deal over the phone so I just went along with it. Like they say, it's really about what you make of the instructions (since they're honestly all pretty qualified probably), not so much the best prep course right? I dunno that's my rationale

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby LockBox » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:54 am

Okay so now i'm in a bind. I was considering BP online, but now i've read about this. Is this their first year? If the students don't interrupt with questions then why are the sessions live? Or is it all recorded?

I'm also considering TM live session. Would anyone have any suggestions on what to go with?

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby jason8821 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:23 am

I think they have been at it since last year. From what I can tell, they have already received some good press with their GMAT prep, and from the guy I spoke to the classes will be administered in a similar fashion. Also their 5 point back guarantee seems as legit as can be. You can use an official LSAT score, or take one of 60 administered LSATS with them online.

The bad things is obviously that it's online, and new.

None the less if you can get within 5 points of your target score, It seems like a pretty good deal.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:56 pm

well, the way i understood it, it's a live session where you can actually ask questions during the live lectures because there are TA's in the vicinity of the person presenting who are available to answer your questions without actually hanging up the entire class. So I'm assuming the lecture just goes on continuously while you have the option to ask questions whenever you want during the lecture, it's just that the live lecture probably won't stop for you and keep going.

The thing that sealed the deal for me was the fact that they have multiple classes taught with different time periods, and I don't have to just listen to my own lecture live, I can also tune into other live lectures and watch the same lecture material covered by a different lecturer. Obviously my original live lecture is archived so I can watch that later too. I thought that was kinda neat since they don't give you any physical materials

The only thing that really held me back was the fact that they had NO materials to provide, because it's all lecture-based. Basically a course in college that has no textbook and everything is lecture-based and that's what the midterm and final is based on, so you're kind of on your own to write good notes for all the concepts. So unless you have good memory to retain everything, you'd have to refer back to either your notes or the archived lectures that covered the material, which I was wary about since I've never studied for something without the course material in written format that is available within grasp.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby abbas123 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:58 pm

lsatextreme wrote:The only thing that really held me back was the fact that they had NO materials to provide, because it's all lecture-based. Basically a course in college that has no textbook and everything is lecture-based and that's what the midterm and final is based on, so you're kind of on your own to write good notes for all the concepts. So unless you have good memory to retain everything, you'd have to refer back to either your notes or the archived lectures that covered the material.


thats ridiculous. def a dealbreaker.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby LockBox » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:12 pm

abbas123 wrote:
lsatextreme wrote:The only thing that really held me back was the fact that they had NO materials to provide, because it's all lecture-based. Basically a course in college that has no textbook and everything is lecture-based and that's what the midterm and final is based on, so you're kind of on your own to write good notes for all the concepts. So unless you have good memory to retain everything, you'd have to refer back to either your notes or the archived lectures that covered the material.


thats ridiculous. def a dealbreaker.


I second that. Now onto whether or not to take bp/ps or testmaters live

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:35 pm

I am actually having second thoughts. I always knew that was gonna be the biggest thing holding me back and at the time, I thought it would be fine and I was especially enticed by the great price, but I think I'd rather go with the tried and true. I've requested a refund from the people at Knewton.

Looks like i'm still deciding between BP, PS and TM.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby Bigred2008 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:50 pm

Hmm, that's not good, I was going to buy it based on this thread to check it out. I guess I will be going with BP.

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:52 pm

does anyone else also feel that it's better to have live online classes instead of "archived" video online classes like those made by BP or TM? So far, I can only find places like PS or even PR that provide live online courses (well, knewton too but I already explained why I cancelled with them).

Why does it feel like I'm getting ripped by paying upwards to a g and getting prerecorded video material?

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby LockBox » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:02 pm

lsatextreme wrote:does anyone else also feel that it's better to have live online classes instead of "archived" video online classes like those made by BP or TM? So far, I can only find places like PS or even PR that provide live online courses (well, knewton too but I already explained why I cancelled with them).

Why does it feel like I'm getting ripped by paying upwards to a g and getting prerecorded video material?

I don't get it. Besides perhaps interacting with a live teacher what is the benefit to you in having live sessions rather than archived ones? If they are archived perhaps they are edited as well. That would make it a better experience for the student IMO

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatextreme » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:03 pm

LockBox wrote:
lsatextreme wrote:does anyone else also feel that it's better to have live online classes instead of "archived" video online classes like those made by BP or TM? So far, I can only find places like PS or even PR that provide live online courses (well, knewton too but I already explained why I cancelled with them).

Why does it feel like I'm getting ripped by paying upwards to a g and getting prerecorded video material?

I don't get it. Besides perhaps interacting with a live teacher what is the benefit to you in having live sessions rather than archived ones? If they are archived perhaps they are edited as well. That would make it a better experience for the student IMO


yea that's exactly it lol. I guess it doesn't matter but for some reason it just feels like my money is better spent when the class resembles as much of the full length class as possible. Otherwise I just somehow feel like I just paid for materials and media haha

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby Knewton_Jose » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:48 am

Thanks for your collective interest in Knewton.

I'd like to take a few minutes and explain why we strongly believe that we are offering students a far superior LSAT prep option.

1) We have the best teachers. Other companies hire unproven instructors in strip malls across the country. We've hired a handful of the best teachers in America, and stream them via the internet. We also pay them 5x what other companies pay their teachers.

2) We have the best research. The man who literally created the first algorithm and system for the current LSAT, David Kuntz, is our VP of Research.

3) We have the best technology. Our adaptive learning engine gathers data on exactly what students do and do not need to work on -- down to the atomic concept level. We are then able to address each student's unique needs.

4) We give students the most access. If you sign up with Knewton we give you access to the system for an entire year. Kaplan gives you 10 weeks. Who needs a book when we give you access to all 59 PrepTests fully-explained, tagged, and printable? You can work through the questions one at a time, take an entire PrepTest, and/or even enter our revolutionary Create-a-Quiz tool that lets you pick the concepts you want home in on.

5) More personal attention. On top of our adaptive learning engine, which personalizes education in ways once thought impossible, our dedicated staff of Master Teachers is here to answer all of your questions and offer hours of free tutoring.

6) We offer the best money-back guarantee. At least a 5-pt score jump, or all your money back. No one else even comes close to such an offer.

7) We are the most convenient. We put students in the driver's seat of their own preparation. Need to miss a class for work? Don't feel like paying for gas? Want to watch a certain class twice? All of our courses are available on demand. You create the schedule that works for you.

And most importantly...

The best price. You can get the Knewton LSAT course for only $690. That's half the price of what Kaplan and TPR charge -- and we give you the best teachers, the best technology, and the best money-back guarantee.

I hope this clears up questions about what we do.

Please let me know if you have any more questions or concerns.

Cheers,
Jose
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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby lsatgenius » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:18 pm

Knewton_Jose wrote:We've hired the best 8 teachers in America, and stream them via the internet. We also pay them 5x what other companies pay their teachers.


exaggerate much?

Knewton_Jose wrote:We have the best research. The man who literally created the first algorithm and system for the current LSAT, David Kuntz, is our VP of Research.


what kind of research does he do and how does this make the class better? what does the knowing how the scoring algorithm works have to do with improving my score? (sorry for the comment above--i couldn't resist. i really am curious to know about your research.)

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Re: Knewton LSAT prep

Postby typ3 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:31 pm

1) Other companies hire unproven instructors in strip malls across the country. We've hired the best 8 teachers in America, and stream them via the internet. We also pay them 5x what other companies pay their teachers.

Is this like American Idol except for LSAT prep? Last I checked, people with 170+ weren't hanging around strip malls looking for a job.

2) We have the best research. The man who literally created the first algorithm and system for the current LSAT, David Kuntz, is our VP of Research.

So what.. he literally created it, but I want the man who actually created it.


3) We have the best technology. Our adaptive learning engine gathers data on exactly what students do and do not need to work on -- down to the atomic concept level. We are then able to address each student's unique needs.

I don't believe a computer can figure out the exact atomic concept that is resulting in my error on the LSAT. Unless he's Hal 9000 or the Robot from lost in space, I simply won't believe it.

4) We give students the most access. If you sign up with Knewton we give you access to the system for an entire year. Kaplan gives you 10 weeks. Who needs a book when we give you access to all 59 PrepTests fully-explained, tagged, and printable? You can work through the questions one at a time, take an entire PrepTest, and/or even enter our revolutionary Create-a-Quiz tool that lets you pick the concepts you want home in on.

Actually, Kaplan and PR gives you access as soon as you pay your deposit and normally the classes are 14 weeks and it is actually indefinite if you utilize their higher score guarantee and don't get the score you want as long as you fulfill all the requirements within the course such as attending sessions. The 59 PT's are given out by all major PT companies now- still not sold.

It's cheap because you don't have your own printed materials. I see that as a negative, I don't want to spend 5 hours at the library printing out every PT and explanation.

Revolutionary create-a-quiz tool is not anything different than Kaplan Q rater, PR's quiz system, or blueprints.


Overcharged statements probably won't get you too far on this forum, considering most people are studying to pick apart arguments for a living.




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