How much does UG matter?

(Please Ask Questions and Answer Questions)
User avatar
mmmadeli
Posts: 88
Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:54 pm

How much does UG matter?

Postby mmmadeli » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:33 pm

I'm quite new to this site -- I just learned about it like a week ago, I think I have <20 posts, but I've been seeing something that interests me. When people post their stats, they always post like, 171/3.5 or whatever, which is fine. But I always figured, for a school like, say, Columbia, wouldn't it matter where that 3.5 came from? I mean, surely it makes a difference whether it came from Yale or community college or somewhere in between...right? That makes sense to me, but when people post their stats here, mostly they don't mention where they got their degree, which suggests that by and large, for the purposes of predicting admission people here don't think it matters enough to mention. Why is that? Because it seems like a relevant qualifier on your GPA. Or are law schools interested enough in preserving their median that they don't care about the qualifiers at all?

User avatar
redsox
Posts: 612
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:40 pm

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby redsox » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:36 pm

People don't post their undergrad institution because
a) it doesn't matter as much as GPA/LSAT; and
b) they want to maintain some degree of anonymity.

toolfan
Posts: 151
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:11 pm

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby toolfan » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:38 pm

It does, but it doesn't.

Indeed GPA/LSAT are more important, but law schools still like to say they have recruited students from the ivy league.

User avatar
mmmadeli
Posts: 88
Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:54 pm

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby mmmadeli » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:41 pm

I mean, I guess it just seems to me like GPA loses a lot of meaning without the context of where it came from. And moreover (and maybe this is the bigger thing), these top schools must get tons of applications with very similar, very high numbers. They have to differentiate between them somehow, so wouldn't caliber of the undergraduate institution be a good place to start? Presumably it's harder to get a 3.5 some places than others, so some 3.5's represent a higher level of accomplishment.

ETA I mean, I'm no adcom, so what the hell do I know. :lol: But it just makes sense to me, you know? It seems logical.

User avatar
mmmadeli
Posts: 88
Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:54 pm

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby mmmadeli » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:43 pm

ahaha sorry guys. I didn't notice someone asked this question about 3 inches down the page. In my defense, the title of their thread is really vague!

User avatar
scribelaw
Posts: 771
Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:27 pm

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby scribelaw » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:46 pm

mmmadeli wrote:I mean, I guess it just seems to me like GPA loses a lot of meaning without the context of where it came from. And moreover (and maybe this is the bigger thing), these top schools must get tons of applications with very similar, very high numbers. They have to differentiate between them somehow, so wouldn't caliber of the undergraduate institution be a good place to start? Presumably it's harder to get a 3.5 some places than others, so some 3.5's represent a higher level of accomplishment.

ETA I mean, I'm no adcom, so what the hell do I know. :lol: But it just makes sense to me, you know? It seems logical.


This seems to be the case at HYS, Columbia and Chicago. NYu doesn't seem to care.

Outside of the T6, coming from HYP undergrad is a nice soft factor I'm sure, but they really seem to pick along the numbers.

User avatar
MrKappus
Posts: 1685
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:46 am

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby MrKappus » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:48 pm

As someone that went to any Ivy, I can say it doesn't matter much, b/c a GPA is a GPA (and that's what USNWR records). That said, it's a soft factor (I guess), and it's helpful for clerkships/academe.

User avatar
You Gotta Have Faith
Posts: 403
Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 5:04 am

Re: How much does UG matter?

Postby You Gotta Have Faith » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:53 pm

toolfan wrote:It does, but it doesn't.

Indeed GPA/LSAT are more important, but law schools still like to say they have recruited students from the ivy league.


This is indeed true. But I've also noticed a fair number of law schools are increasingly happy to say they've recruited students from (insert relatively high number) institutions. If they can have 85 undergrad institutions represented instead of just 45, they'll opt for the former.

But again, I don't think it matters all that much. The focus for most of them, as others have pointed out, is the GPA/LSAT.




Return to “Law School FAQ”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest