Safe to say Penn and NYU are peers? Forum

[rayiner]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump.

Brown person from DC lay prestige rankings:
1) MIT (top UG engineering)
2) Caltech (top UG engineering)
3) Harvard (top 3 UG)
4) Stanford (top 3 grad engineering)
5) Berkeley (top 3 grad engineering)
6) Yale (top 3 UG)
7) Penn (top 3 med school, top 3 b-school)
8 ) Johns Hopkins (top 3 med school)
9) Cornell (Ivy engineering)
10) UVA

[Ruxin1]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

A Majority of AIDS and Cancer research coming out of Upenn med/research right now.

[Tiago Splitter]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

And now I just found out that Penn has a top 3 med school.

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

[Ruxin1]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

And now I just found out that Penn has a top 3 med school.

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

I think this poast encapsulates lay prestige, unless it's the top 3 schools, there is a huge dropoff in lay prestige so who cares.

[smaug_]

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

This rings true to me. It is only a very particular type of person who is aware of these things. There are current law students who aren't fully aware of rankings and what they mean.

[Renne Walker]

And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

They even ask where is NYU?

You can thank the movies and TV for that. Movies are about H/Y, even “Suits” is all about H. Northwestern just received a little PR from HBO’s “The Network.” Mostly though, it is slim PR pickings for nearly everyone else.

[ahnhub]

NYU gets a decent amount of play in Hollywood: The whole cast of Gossip Girl/ Ross from Friends/ Theo Huxtable/ Finch from American Pie...when the writer wants shorthand for hip/smart/artsy. When a TV show or movie wants to communicate that a character is super smart, they'll always go with HYPS.

[rayiner]

This rings true to me. It is only a very particular type of person who is aware of these things. There are current law students who aren't fully aware of rankings and what they mean.

Even lawyers, who are about as rankings-conscious as they get (partners will gossip about the Chambers Rankings when they come out, no joke) are only vaguely aware of the current rankings ordering within the T14.

Think about it, you probably looked at the rankings pretty closely when you were applying to undergrad schools in the early 2000's. I know I did. I probably could have told you the top 25 from memory. Do you have any idea where Penn, Columbia, etc, are ranked today? Was U Chicago in the top 10 then? Is it now? How about Duke? Cornell? I honestly couldn't tell you without checking myself.

[Tiago Splitter]

And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

They even ask where is NYU?

[boosk]

NYU gets a decent amount of play in Hollywood: The whole cast of Gossip Girl/ Ross from Friends/ Theo Huxtable/ Finch from American Pie...when the writer wants shorthand for hip/smart/artsy. When a TV show or movie wants to communicate that a character is super smart, they'll always go with HYPS.

This is the most important criteria one can use when choosing a law school.

[HarlandBassett]

NYU gets a decent amount of play in Hollywood: The whole cast of Gossip Girl/ Ross from Friends/ Theo Huxtable/ Finch from American Pie...when the writer wants shorthand for hip/smart/artsy. When a TV show or movie wants to communicate that a character is super smart, they'll always go with HYPS.

This is the most important criteria one can use when choosing a law school.

[3ThrowAway99]

I should point out that I don't think it's good to take lay prestige into account when picking a law school. Because that would lead you to take Duke over the rest of the T4-14. What I'm trying to get at is that not only is lay prestige a stupid reason to pick a law school, but Columbia doesn't have enough for it to be a weighty factor in picking CLS over Penn or NYU. Again, it's not Harvard/Yale.

You should pick amongst CLS/NYU/Penn based on locations and scholarship $$.

Dook? Really? I never thought of Duke as prestigious until I spent time in the South. But I def generally agree with you.

[rayiner]

I should point out that I don't think it's good to take lay prestige into account when picking a law school. Because that would lead you to take Duke over the rest of the T4-14. What I'm trying to get at is that not only is lay prestige a stupid reason to pick a law school, but Columbia doesn't have enough for it to be a weighty factor in picking CLS over Penn or NYU. Again, it's not Harvard/Yale.

You should pick amongst CLS/NYU/Penn based on locations and scholarship $$.

Dook? Really? I never thought of Duke as prestigious until I spent time in the South. But I def generally agree with you.

Duke basketball + reputation for being one of the "smart" sports schools.

[ahnhub]

I couldn't figure out who this is a picture of.

[SaintsTheMetal]

And now I just found out that Penn has a top 3 med school.

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

+1 to EVERYTHING Tiago said. Also from California (East Bay) and just went to a UG basically for football... I'm willing to admit that before I started researching Law Schools a few months ago, I thought when people were talking about Penn on TLS it was shorthand for Penn State... i had to google wtf is Wharton.. only reason I knew Northwestern was because of football recruitment, but still couldn't tell you what state it's in.

From a California point of view, the T14's lay prestige would probably be Stanford>Berkeley/H/Y>Duke/Columbia>the rest

I did however remember that Topenga was accepted to NYU Law at the end of Boy Meets World

[boosk]

I did however remember that Topenga was accepted to NYU Law at the end of Boy Meets World

Again, we need more info like this on TLS so that prospective students can make informed decisions. If I had known this a year ago, who knows where I'd be today.

[PowderedWater]

I did however remember that Topenga was accepted to NYU Law at the end of Boy Meets World

Again, we need more info like this on TLS so that prospective students can make informed decisions. If I had known this a year ago, who knows where I'd be today.

This made me laugh a bit more than it should have.

[WODKilla123]

1st off, MTO is the best litigation shop in the USA. dat Cali sunshine bro.

2nd, y u so mad that NYU grads clean up in the V10 and have way lower grade cut offs than Penn grads? Enjoy your V75-100 breh.

See: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=675 for evidence as to how biglaw associates at the nation's most elite firms routinely say NYU = CLS and lump P with MBV. hth.

You do realize the average person who burns out of a V75-100 after 3-5 years doesn't end up in an appreciably different place than the average person who does the same at a V10, right?

Fantasies and delusions aside, I would say NYU has a moderate edge over Penn in NYC (though not enough to warrant paying a whole lot more). Outside there, they're more or less peers.

And transferring from Penn to NYU sounds pointless, at least as far as seeking a career placement advantage goes.

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[HeavenWood]

1st off, MTO is the best litigation shop in the USA. dat Cali sunshine bro.

2nd, y u so mad that NYU grads clean up in the V10 and have way lower grade cut offs than Penn grads? Enjoy your V75-100 breh.

See: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=675 for evidence as to how biglaw associates at the nation's most elite firms routinely say NYU = CLS and lump P with MBV. hth.

You do realize the average person who burns out of a V75-100 after 3-5 years doesn't end up in an appreciably different place than the average person who does the same at a V10, right?

Fantasies and delusions aside, I would say NYU has a moderate edge over Penn in NYC (though not enough to warrant paying a whole lot more). Outside there, they're more or less peers.

And transferring from Penn to NYU sounds pointless, at least as far as seeking a career placement advantage goes.

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