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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam
Not sure what's scarier...the fact that many of you seem to think your essay graders are too harsh, or the fact that I greet all my essay scores as if mother teresa herself is giving me points for the garbage I submitted
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Yeah, it wasn't about a communication. She was supposed to testify that she saw him selling drugs or something. The prompt stated that she had already received her immunity, so its not like she could back out the deal and not testify. Or at least that's what I thought...sd5289 wrote:zot1 wrote:gr8scOtt! wrote:Another lol-tastic question...
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gr8scOtt! wrote:Yeah, it wasn't about a communication. She was supposed to testify that she saw him selling drugs or something. The prompt stated that she had already received her immunity, so its not like she could back out the deal and not testify. Or at least that's what I thought...sd5289 wrote:zot1 wrote:gr8scOtt! wrote:Another lol-tastic question...
regardless if the witness gets immunity for a crime she committed which would require them to testify. if any privilege is held regarding the subject matter of the testimony it is still protected.
a wife can never be required to testify against a husband- i.e the whole point of spousal immunity; that's why the wrong answer is wrong.
On the other hand, the wife can be forced not to testify (i.e. if the husband can assert spousal communication) or the woman MAY refuse to testify (i.e. she asserts spousal immunity).
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I really hope that Themis is giving me a bunch of questions based on stuff I got wrong historically in these Mixed MBE sets... otherwise I'm in trouble.
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My essay grader's scoring is way too harsh. My graded CPT was based on Themis's model answer and she gave me a 60.teeshtee wrote:Not sure what's scarier...the fact that many of you seem to think your essay graders are too harsh, or the fact that I greet all my essay scores as if mother teresa herself is giving me points for the garbage I submitted
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gr8scOtt! wrote:Yeah, it wasn't about a communication. She was supposed to testify that she saw him selling drugs or something. The prompt stated that she had already received her immunity, so its not like she could back out the deal and not testify. Or at least that's what I thought...sd5289 wrote:zot1 wrote:gr8scOtt! wrote:Another lol-tastic question...
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Lol yeah, my grader is nothing like this.teeshtee wrote:Not sure what's scarier...the fact that many of you seem to think your essay graders are too harsh, or the fact that I greet all my essay scores as if mother teresa herself is giving me points for the garbage I submitted
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I really don't see the point of graded essays when you've got access to a model answer. I mean, if they had a track record for being really insightful about what you need to do more or less of, but it seems like maybe one in twenty do that.
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I am pretty convinced that I am going to fail because my essays are never like the model answer. Like I usually get the big issues but I generally organize differently, my rule statements are not paragraphs long, and I prob don't use as many headings (especially for personal jurisdiction fml).
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Although it's kinda late now, you should compare them to the baressays essays instead. The model answer was likely written with a shitload of time and with a book infront of them. The essays on baressays give you an idea on how you did compared to an actually graded essay.Pleasye wrote:I am pretty convinced that I am going to fail because my essays are never like the model answer. Like I usually get the big issues but I generally organize differently, my rule statements are not paragraphs long, and I prob don't use as many headings (especially for personal jurisdiction fml).
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You can also find on some states answers from actual test-takers that got high scores, so you can see what perfect score typically looks like, rather than a "model" answer that's not really realistic at all in terms of length and depth.
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In CA, it seems like the essays are even bigger deal, consisting of ⅔ of the grade. I just hope that an actual 65 is really a whole lot more forgiving.
So I am thinking about skipping the community property, wills, and trusts lectures and just memorizing the final review outline. Is it just me, or are the lectures really just a waste on these topics when they are just essay based. We don't need to know all the fine minutia.
So I am thinking about skipping the community property, wills, and trusts lectures and just memorizing the final review outline. Is it just me, or are the lectures really just a waste on these topics when they are just essay based. We don't need to know all the fine minutia.
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Yea.. to add to this, I've read some 65pt CA essays and some are complete trash. Really made me feel at ease to read some of the garbage that passed.anon sequitur wrote:You can also find on some states answers from actual test-takers that got high scores, so you can see what perfect score typically looks like, rather than a "model" answer that's not really realistic at all in terms of length and depth.
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That's awesome. Unfortunately for me VA only puts out 9/10 or 10/10 answers. I would kill to see some 6/10 answers.paulshortys10 wrote:
Yea.. to add to this, I've read some 65pt CA essays and some are complete trash. Really made me feel at ease to read some of the garbage that passed.
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How much does a baressays account cost?paulshortys10 wrote:Yea.. to add to this, I've read some 65pt CA essays and some are complete trash. Really made me feel at ease to read some of the garbage that passed.anon sequitur wrote:You can also find on some states answers from actual test-takers that got high scores, so you can see what perfect score typically looks like, rather than a "model" answer that's not really realistic at all in terms of length and depth.
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Simulated MBE Analysis Video: "You'll do well if you know the rule."
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Useful.
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zot1 wrote:Simulated MBE Analysis Video: "You'll do well if you know the rule."
Useful.
"Try not to get distracted by wrong answers."
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Pickled wrote:zot1 wrote:Simulated MBE Analysis Video: "You'll do well if you know the rule."
Useful.
"Try not to get distracted by wrong answers."
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As I got through my Milestone #3 answers, I realize that some of my errors were due to not knowing the law (nothing I can do there to improve other than keep reviewing . . . ), some were due to not reading the question closely (have been working on this and have improved significantly), and some due to assumptions Themis makes in order to get the right answer. Do bar questions also assume so much?
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"Make sure you do practice questions."Pickled wrote:zot1 wrote:Simulated MBE Analysis Video: "You'll do well if you know the rule."
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"Try not to get distracted by wrong answers."
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For those New Yorkers that did the latest graded essay, looks to me like Themis made a mistake (again).
But in Themis' outline...
But in Themis' outline...
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Lawbro wrote:For those New Yorkers that did the latest graded essay, looks to me like Themis made a mistake (again).
But in Themis' outline...
The sample answer and rules for that issue are basically on point, but the phrasing of their issue sentence is wrong. The issue is really; whether a copy of a will that was destroyed can be proven by a photocopy of the will.... or "whether a copy of an original will can be used to probate a lost/destroyed will"....
worded like that- the answer makes more sense. you can never probate a photo copy of a will, which the themis outline is correct, but a copy of a will can be used to prove the contents of an original will that has been lost or destroyed. it is the destroyed will that will be admitted into probate and the copy would be just be used as evidence of what the will had said. But in order to have a will that was destroyed or lost probated, you would need to show the intent of the testator was not to revoke the will...
they always say the answers they provide aren't always the best answer or the absolute right answer but if your essay looks "basically like the same thing", then your fine
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Which is why I also mentioned spousal privilege. Just because one privilege might be "waived" or dealt with (here it sounds like 5th Am. privilege against self-incrimination was dealt with via the immunity), it's still possible for there to be other privileges (or public policy exclusions) at play, and it sounds like in this question spousal immunity was also at play.gr8scOtt! wrote:Yeah, it wasn't about a communication. She was supposed to testify that she saw him selling drugs or something. The prompt stated that she had already received her immunity, so its not like she could back out the deal and not testify. Or at least that's what I thought...sd5289 wrote:zot1 wrote:gr8scOtt! wrote:Another lol-tastic question...
To take another example, let's say in a civil negligence suit, D tells P in the midst of settlement negotiations that he didn't even see the stop sign that he rolled through before crashing into her car. That's a statement by a party opponent, BUT it also occurred in the midst of settlement negotiations and is not admissible even though it's not going to run into the hearsay problem.
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Omg, I almost threw my laptop during these (had them on 2x as they forced me to go through the written explanations, which was helpful).zot1 wrote:Simulated MBE Analysis Video: "You'll do well if you know the rule."
Useful.
My favorite is definitely:
"This question was EASY if you had *just* memorized Rule 26(b)(2)(iii)(1)(k)(2,397)..."
Yeah, I hate you with the passion of a thousand burning suns.
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That makes sense I suppose. The model answer was pretty clear about admitting the photocopy into probate (as opposed to the destroyed will), but now I can see what they were getting at with the whole "rebuttable presumption" analysisMZaf wrote:
The sample answer and rules for that issue are basically on point, but the phrasing of their issue sentence is wrong. The issue is really; whether a copy of a will that was destroyed can be proven by a photocopy of the will.... or "whether a copy of an original will can be used to probate a lost/destroyed will"....
worded like that- the answer makes more sense. you can never probate a photo copy of a will, which the themis outline is correct, but a copy of a will can be used to prove the contents of an original will that has been lost or destroyed. it is the destroyed will that will be admitted into probate and the copy would be just be used as evidence of what the will had said. But in order to have a will that was destroyed or lost probated, you would need to show the intent of the testator was not to revoke the will...
they always say the answers they provide aren't always the best answer or the absolute right answer but if your essay looks "basically like the same thing", then your fine
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