BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 (UBE -NY) Forum

[sublime]

Is there any real reason to go to a live practice MBE if I can just do it at home?

Good question. My bar mentor keeps saying I should go. I think I will, because it's going to be in the same place where I'm taking the bar, so at least I'll familiarize myself with the area so I won't be completely lost that day

Yea, I probably would if that is the case too. I think I am going to do it at home. The practice test is just in a normal classroom in my LS.

[KRose04]

Is there any real reason to go to a live practice MBE if I can just do it at home?

Good question. My bar mentor keeps saying I should go. I think I will, because it's going to be in the same place where I'm taking the bar, so at least I'll familiarize myself with the area so I won't be completely lost that day

Yea, I probably would if that is the case too. I think I am going to do it at home. The practice test is just in a normal classroom in my LS.

Yea, it didn't occur to me that for most people it's not like that, since there are only 6 places to take the exam in the whole state O_o

As a side note, is anyone using these outlines to study for the MEE? https://efficientbarprep.com/support/in ... 9/#post-61

[LionelHutzJD]

Is there any real reason to go to a live practice MBE if I can just do it at home?

Good question. My bar mentor keeps saying I should go. I think I will, because it's going to be in the same place where I'm taking the bar, so at least I'll familiarize myself with the area so I won't be completely lost that day

Yea, I probably would if that is the case too. I think I am going to do it at home. The practice test is just in a normal classroom in my LS.

Yea, it didn't occur to me that for most people it's not like that, since there are only 6 places to take the exam in the whole state O_o

As a side note, is anyone using these outlines to study for the MEE? https://efficientbarprep.com/support/in ... 9/#post-61

They look GREAT so far. I know the author of that website is "famous" for her MEE predictions, so i'm waiting for those as well.

[KRose04]

Is there any real reason to go to a live practice MBE if I can just do it at home?

Good question. My bar mentor keeps saying I should go. I think I will, because it's going to be in the same place where I'm taking the bar, so at least I'll familiarize myself with the area so I won't be completely lost that day

Yea, I probably would if that is the case too. I think I am going to do it at home. The practice test is just in a normal classroom in my LS.

Yea, it didn't occur to me that for most people it's not like that, since there are only 6 places to take the exam in the whole state O_o

As a side note, is anyone using these outlines to study for the MEE? https://efficientbarprep.com/support/in ... 9/#post-61

They look GREAT so far. I know the author of that website is "famous" for her MEE predictions, so i'm waiting for those as well.

You and me both lol. I check it everyday hahaha

[KRose04]

The MEE predictions were just released.
Civil Procedure
Property
Contracts / UCC Sales
Trusts
Corporations
Family Law
Conflict of Laws

https://www.efficientbarprep.com/mee-predictions/

[hellojd]

So what exactly is "passing" on the MBE? Barbri has the average Barbri score in the practice book, but says repeatedly that is over and above what you need to pass the MBE portion.

As a follow-up question; is "passing" on the MBE what you need assuming the "average" score on the other sections, or would just "passing" the MBE require crushing the other sections?

I'm finding this all a bit confusing

http://www.seperac.com/zcalc-ube-j16.php

How difficult is it to score a 3 on the essays?

159 on the simulated MBE. Pleasantly surprised to say the least. Time to actually learn the MEE subjects I guess.

What was your average? I'm at 65% barbri (including some disastrous sets) and 75% on Adaptibar but I don't feel confortable at all with MEE subjects. Our simulated MBE is on July 6 (only 19 days before the exam).

3 is a failing grade so it can't be that difficult.

Thanks for posting the link! This is very helpful. If I'm reading this correctly, with almost all 3's and a couple of 4's you can do around a 61% on the MBE and still pass. This makes me feel much better.

[KRose04]

The outlines from efficientbarprep are AWESOME. I only wish I had found them sooner. The one for corporations is just like barbri's. They saved me a lot of time, now I don't have to make my own.

[nachosrgood]

So what exactly is "passing" on the MBE? Barbri has the average Barbri score in the practice book, but says repeatedly that is over and above what you need to pass the MBE portion.

As a follow-up question; is "passing" on the MBE what you need assuming the "average" score on the other sections, or would just "passing" the MBE require crushing the other sections?

I'm finding this all a bit confusing

http://www.seperac.com/zcalc-ube-j16.php

How difficult is it to score a 3 on the essays?

159 on the simulated MBE. Pleasantly surprised to say the least. Time to actually learn the MEE subjects I guess.

What was your average? I'm at 65% barbri (including some disastrous sets) and 75% on Adaptibar but I don't feel confortable at all with MEE subjects. Our simulated MBE is on July 6 (only 19 days before the exam).

3 is a failing grade so it can't be that difficult.

Is 4 passing?
Do you know how this compares to the scores listed on the Barbri MEE book? They give 5 categories, I thought that responded to scores of 1-5. I.e. where for example they 0-10 as significantly passing, 11-13 as below passing, 14-17 as passing, 23-26 as above passing, and 27+ as significantly above passing, I assumed a score of 3 on the Barbri scoresheet means I would have gotten a score of 3 on that particular essay, that sound right?

[ballouttacontrol]

Annoyed by this question...

Evidence set1 question#9




I get that A frames the training as a lay opinion, but why wouldn't his testimony be admissible as an expert opinion?? Assuming the D laid proper foundation I see nothing wrong with the testimony coming in as an expert opinion

Obviously, this wasn't an answer choice, but this is why I thought there's NO WAY the inadmissible choice should be correct and figured I'd go with A. Wtf? Can anyone clear this up?

[sublime]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

[LionelHutzJD]

It's hearsay and doesn't fit into any exception nor does it fall into a hearsay exemption.

[LionelHutzJD]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

The accountant wouldn't have to be testifying, he would be the declarant.

[ballouttacontrol]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

Ahhhhh damn, yep, that's it exactly. Thanks.

Serious RC fail there on my part, and i was so pissed at this question smh

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

The accountant wouldn't have to be testifying, he would be the declarant.

I read it (errantly, obviously) as that the accountant was testifying. In this case I'm almost positive his report would be admissible, unless his methodology wouldn't meet Daubert for whatever reason

[sublime]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

The accountant wouldn't have to be testifying, he would be the declarant.

But for the expert testimony way to work. Also, I don't think expert reports themselves can get in.

[mvp99]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

The accountant wouldn't have to be testifying, he would be the declarant.

But for the expert testimony way to work. Also, I don't think expert reports themselves can get in.

i don't think so either unless it's through present recollection recorded (although why would a judge even allow that in this situation even if the accountant couldn't remember what he wrote? Just get another accountant) and it's treatises, not reports, that can be read into evidence.

[ballouttacontrol]

Yea you couldn't lay the foundation for the expert report without the expert that prepared it.

U could have an expert depo ahead of trial though, and a subsequently unavailable expert, and get it in then I believe

[sublime]

Just a heads up - the answers to 16 and 17 are transposed on Civ Pro Set 2.

[mvp99]

nvm

[sublime]

Just a heads up - the answers to 16 and 17 are transposed on Civ Pro Set 2.

online?

Idk, I do sets 2 and 4 in book.

[LionelHutzJD]

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

Ahhhhh damn, yep, that's it exactly. Thanks.

Serious RC fail there on my part, and i was so pissed at this question smh

I think the answer is that the accountant wasn't testifying.

He also may not qualify as an expert if he doesn't normally do shit like that.

The accountant wouldn't have to be testifying, he would be the declarant.

I read it (errantly, obviously) as that the accountant was testifying. In this case I'm almost positive his report would be admissible, unless his methodology wouldn't meet Daubert for whatever reason

The facts would have to give a lot more information about whether the accountant was even testifying as an expert, if he testified in the first place.

On the same set of facts, IF the accountant was testifying, it would still be hearsay.

[mvp99]

Working on 200 adaptibar Qs today. Happy 4th of July everyone!

[mvp99]

Anyone else noticed that most questions with long fact patterns are really easy questions being buried in long fact patterns to check if you know what's relevant.

[squiggle]

Anyone else noticed that most questions with long fact patterns are really easy questions being buried in long fact patterns to check if you know what's relevant.

I wonder if that's NCBE's/Barbri's cruel trick, because the long fact patterns get skipped first by those who are running out of time.

[WheatThins]

Working on 200 adaptibar Qs today. Happy 4th of July everyone!

Took the 2008 adaptibar practice exam today. Does the current mbe resemble this pretty closely (minus civpro, obviously)? Got 72% on it, and am feeling alright at this point.

[sublime]

Working on 200 adaptibar Qs today. Happy 4th of July everyone!

Took the 2008 adaptibar practice exam today. Does the current mbe resemble this pretty closely (minus civpro, obviously)? Got 72% on it, and am feeling alright at this point.

What's your plan to mesh Barbri(I assume) and Adaptibar for the last few weeks?