A. Nony Mouse wrote:Catsinthebag wrote:lawman84 wrote:Catsinthebag wrote:lawman84 wrote:Catsinthebag wrote:Look out now, here's some nuance, because on the other hand, if you're worth getting hired with a law degree, you're going to be hired. If not, you whine on these boards about how nobody should go to law school.
There's really no nuance to what you're saying. It's simply insulting conjecture. But you can go on thinking every law student who is worth being hired gets a real legal job if it helps you sleep better at night. However, I recommend you meet some of the people working as contract attorneys if you truly believe this.
Despite your mischaracterization, I'll take it every day over the self-victimization that's running rampant in this and other threads.
I'm actually not seeing any self-victimization here. I'm seeing people warning the OP not to go to a law school with poor job statistics (American). I'd call that good advice.
If you're good, you find work.
This is way simplistic, and insulting to the people struggling to find work. Probably one of the biggest problems with this idea is that you can't show you're good unless you get a job, particularly because previous experience doesn't usually translate directly into law.
Well, of course It's simplistic. I've learned to meet people where they're at. It's a fifth grader / Donald Trump fan level of discourse in these parts. Not talking about you here, by the way. Your criticisms are fair, inoffensive, and based on something other than what some law bro saw another law bro post so gotta be true!
What's offensive is a) a group of largely nameless/faceless know-nothings attacking a school based in large part on a ranking system they simultaneously argue is flawed or corrupt or irrelevant or whatever suits their interest in bringing others down at that particular time; and b) even at 50-some percent employment, that's still 600-700 people who went and got jobs, so how is it okay to cut down their various levels of skills and abilities?
Your last part only proves my point. A student has ample opportunity to Demonstrate competency through summer and/or semester in/externships. If one isn't aware enough or able to walk out of there at the end with least one writing sample and a few talking points to use in subsequent interviews, that person doesn't deserve much sympathy.
Just as importantly as writing samples (and thia further proves my point) is you're supposed to make connections with your colleagues / supervisors during those employment opportunities. Find a mentor. That will lead to a job as often or more often than your writing sample.
Which of course brings us to the final point / harsh reality these sniffling whiners don't understand or can't emotionally handle. No firm, agency, etc owes you a damn thing. Grow up. If you go to a law school not "ranked" as highly as those the law bros on the InterWebz fetishize in some sick ritual of self stimulation or self flagellation depending on their own educational background, you either hustle and get what you want out of school and life or you amass hundreds of posts around here flaming me.
End of the day, choice is yours and this is life.