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Post by fred013 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:50 pm

this is disastrous. what are the consequences of H/P/P/P/P. below median pawned.

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Post by rabbit5000 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:54 pm

acrossthelake wrote:There's 550 people per class. The only way you don't find people in a school this big who you fit in with is lack of effort, insecurity, etc. There are some insufferable douchebags here -- they have friends. There are some people who put a whole new spin on the concept of awkward -- they have friends. There are some (creepy to various degrees) dudes who only ever hit on Asian women -- some of them have Asian girlfriends somehow anyway. You will have friends if you try.
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Post by nerd1 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:14 pm

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Post by nothingtosee » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:18 pm

Interesting.

I was expecting the Fred angle to be "is 5 H's competitive for law review grade-on?"

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Post by Mr. Elshal » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:29 pm

fred013 wrote:this is disastrous. what are the consequences of H/P/P/P/P. below median pawned.
It is definitely disastrous. For me, the consequence of getting those same grades for both 1L semesters was that I had to settle for a V10 in NYC.

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Post by Lovely Ludwig Van » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:33 pm

fred013 wrote:this is disastrous. what are the consequences of H/P/P/P/P. below median pawned.
Nothing is closed off to you. I know of someone who straight-P'd himself first semester, then straight H'd second semester, wrote on to LR, and is now clerking for a feeder. You can still do all the stuff every law student here aspires to do.

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Post by rabbit5000 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:34 pm

Can someone tell me what makes a V10 firm better than, say, a V15 or V20 firm? Slightly higher bonuses/exit options? Don't you have to work more hours though? Don't really understand the craze here to work for a top firm TBH

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Post by CicerBRo » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:38 pm

rabbit5000 wrote:Can someone tell me what makes a V10 firm better than, say, a V15 or V20 firm? Slightly higher bonuses/exit options? Don't you have to work more hours though? Don't really understand the craze here to work for a top firm TBH
Mostly just different satisfaction levels for various extremely neurotic egos driven solely by insecurity and a deep and abiding sense of dismay.

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Post by Single-Malt-Liquor » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:10 pm

rabbit5000 wrote:Can someone tell me what makes a V10 firm better than, say, a V15 or V20 firm? Slightly higher bonuses/exit options? Don't you have to work more hours though? Don't really understand the craze here to work for a top firm TBH
It really depends on what you want and what the firm is good at. But at the end I think fit is much more important (I chose a V25 over two V5 offers so that might just be confirmation bias talking).

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Post by fats provolone » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:59 pm

the exit options are better by 5

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Post by polareagle » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:10 pm

rabbit5000 wrote:Can someone tell me what makes a V10 firm better than, say, a V15 or V20 firm? Slightly higher bonuses/exit options? Don't you have to work more hours though? Don't really understand the craze here to work for a top firm TBH
Nothing.

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Post by Pneumonia » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:49 pm

Sooo regular school hours tomorrow?

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Post by Mr. Elshal » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:15 pm

polareagle wrote:
rabbit5000 wrote:Can someone tell me what makes a V10 firm better than, say, a V15 or V20 firm? Slightly higher bonuses/exit options? Don't you have to work more hours though? Don't really understand the craze here to work for a top firm TBH
Nothing.
This is true. I was only mentioning the number in my comment to highlight that Fred (if that is his real name...) is really not closed off from much based on those grades. In reality, I think it's more important to find a firm that has engaging work in the practice area you want, with other employees that you can spend every day with while remaining happy or fulfilled (or whatever your favorite word is).

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Post by heythatslife » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:05 pm

Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?

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Post by nothingtosee » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:20 pm

heythatslife wrote:Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?
I've seen firm profiles where associates have their CALI awards or whatever listed.
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Post by Lovely Ludwig Van » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:36 pm

heythatslife wrote:Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?
Straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. head of recruiting at Wachtell): "We like to see asterisks on transcripts."

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Post by Mr. Elshal » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:29 pm

Lovely Ludwig Van wrote:
heythatslife wrote:Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?
Straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. head of recruiting at Wachtell): "We like to see asterisks on transcripts."
Reminds me of that time Barry Bonds got a DS in baseball.

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Post by Doorkeeper » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:48 pm

Lovely Ludwig Van wrote:
heythatslife wrote:Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?
Straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. head of recruiting at Wachtell): "We like to see asterisks on transcripts."
Your anecdote proves that one niche law firm cares about DS. Not that they make a difference to all NYC V10s or anything related to a global statement. Don't scare the youngins.

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Post by lawschool22 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:06 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
Lovely Ludwig Van wrote:
heythatslife wrote:Do employers actually care about a DS, or do they treat it the same as any H?
Straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. head of recruiting at Wachtell): "We like to see asterisks on transcripts."
Your anecdote proves that one niche law firm cares about DS. Not that they make a difference to all NYC V10s or anything related to a global statement. Don't scare the youngins.
I've heard anecdotes that judges tend to place more weight on them than firms. Thoughts?

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Post by wert3813 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:46 pm

lawschool22 wrote: I've heard anecdotes that judges tend to place more weight on them than firms. Thoughts?
Good sentence structure and punctuation, those are my thoughts on that sentence.

If you guys wanna know where DS's really help it's with Latin Honors. The DS is a full 5 where Ps are 3 and Hs 4. If you can pull three or four of them over the course of law school that math for cum gets real nice.

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Post by TripTrip » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:21 am

wert3813 wrote:
lawschool22 wrote: I've heard anecdotes that judges tend to place more weight on them than firms. Thoughts?
Good sentence structure and punctuation, those are my thoughts on that sentence.

If you guys wanna know where DS's really help it's with Latin Honors. The DS is a full 5 where Ps are 3 and Hs 4. If you can pull three or four of them over the course of law school that math for cum gets real nice.
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Post by Indigo12 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:49 am

fred013 wrote:this is disastrous. what are the consequences of H/P/P/P/P. below median pawned.
No idea what this Fred character's deal is but he claims to be:

1. In Section 3
2. Have some beef with his J-term class
3. Have these grades and, all semester long, curious about what grades he needs for WLRK and feeders and whatnot.

Because I have a certain person in mind in Section 3 who, from what I hear, people think had a hiccup with his J-term class. I doubt there are 2 people in Section 3 who had such a hiccup so Fred, along with his lowercase manner of writing, may be trying to impersonate someone in Section 3 so as to hurt that the real Section 3er's esteem.

I can say for sure that he does not have the grade breakdown quoted above. (Since I'm either that person himself or someone relaying the message).

But it's probably more disconcerting to be the person who's mistaken to correspond to Fred.

So if you have a first guess as to who it is, it's probably not him. PM if you care. Also, please PM if you have think you know who Fred the TLS username corresponds to, with initials or something, so that I can assure you otherwise. I think we can all agree that no one wants their peers suspecting "I think that's Fred."

ETA: Fred also claims to know a thing or 2 about the parking policies and permits and such. He also claims to be interested in Chicago firms. Your first guess, grew up in a nonChicago city whose under25 demographic has an infamously low rate of actually bothering to get a driver's permit, so he has no reason to know a thing about parking or anything Chicago.

ETA2: If you're tempted to think too long don't care or something, just think about whether your first guess is the type of person who would care about doing this as damage control/dissociation from Fred
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Post by asdfdsa » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:55 am

TripTrip wrote:
wert3813 wrote:
lawschool22 wrote: I've heard anecdotes that judges tend to place more weight on them than firms. Thoughts?
Good sentence structure and punctuation, those are my thoughts on that sentence.

If you guys wanna know where DS's really help it's with Latin Honors. The DS is a full 5 where Ps are 3 and Hs 4. If you can pull three or four of them over the course of law school that math for cum gets real nice.
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So would it be better to have 2 DS or 3H for a firm job? Would they prefer the person with 3 H's just cuz he technically has more H's on his transcript?

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Post by fats provolone » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:21 am

definitely better to have 3 Hs. see if you can turn one of your DS' into an H.

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Post by tomwatts » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:24 am

Guys, one of the things you have to understand about HLS's obfuscated grades is that a lot of older lawyers think that our system means that we don't even HAVE grades anymore. Whether anyone would prefer 3 H's or 2 DS's is so heavily dependent on whether they even know what a DS is -- I was asked more than once during EIP by interviewers -- that it's not clear that there even is a general answer.

For Latin honors, 2 DS/3P beats 3 H/2P.

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